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Everton Transfer Thread - Summer 2020

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brieverton said:
It is and I think the amount of finance we have to play with every summer relative to the big six gets overplayed year on year.

It seems to me we have Budget X for players and then try to do too much with it, meaning the potential / quality of what we get in is diluted, we overpay relatively, and the cycle starts all over again.

I'd much rather putting all our resources into two positions each summer rather than six.

We have to keep buying younger players more often than not, and get them to pay for themselves and try to make profit and reinvest.

Let's then supplement that with a signing in January and making sure we make the best use of loans and bosmans.
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the main issue with this is us, the fans. We get attached to players and don’t want to sell them. Case in point, Richarlison. If someone offers 90m using this model, we should sell. But how many people should be crying that we’re a selling club and we have no ambition etc etc etc.
 
Stephenlloyd said:
Obviously FFP is an issue this summer and maybe next.
Also covid has effected us. Like all teams.

But I keep banging the drum, that why employ Ancelotti pay him and his team a fortune. To give him young players and then sell the best ones on. We may as well have kept Duncan for 2yrs while all the old players
On huge wages leave and re-group in 2yrs.

I’m not sure Ancelotti will be happy if we sell our best player next summer and then give give him 3x 25mil kids.
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Think this summer could be a tentative one across the broad clubs will be keeping there powder kegs dry not wanting to pay overs in a covid affected market. As long as we secure a CM, CB and RM i'd be happy
 
I think Gomes could work in the 442 if he has someone alongside him like Allan, Gana, etc.

We need to spend big on quality in this position. We’ve got potential and resell value all over the squad now.

If we had the right players in the right positions to get the most out of the squad will have a 10 fold better outcome cash wise. One £40m Allan with the team playing better and challenging further up the table, would increase the value of the whole squad by 10-20%.

Look at Liverpool as the example - VVD was a world record fee, but how much has their squad value increased since buying the quality they needed? Sickening but Brands is right in what he says.
 
brieverton said:
But we are not going to sign anyone in the true top bracket. There are enough clubs both here and abroad with the money and the appeal so that's out.

It's not about signing kids, its about making the right choices within a model that we can afford and is self-sustaining.

Last summers business is proving to be wrong in almost every respect.

Ancelotti has a three year contract - I doubt he personally thinks he can overturn 30 years of history and make us Champions League regulars in that time.

I'd much rather steady improvement over the period of his contract and then see if he is up for another three years.

Ideally we won't sell our best players if we are seen to be improving. But the more "better" players we get in, the more we can absorb selling one against our wishes.
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He has a 4.5 yr contract. And we’ve attracted one of the best managers in world. So why the real top players maybe out of reach. I think we can definitely attract some very good players

1) premier league
2) Ancelotti
3) wages
 
Lanolin said:
Yeah I get that, but they actually signed him, that’s a different thing. This seems to suggest we gave him a medical in February but weren’t signing him until the summer, that would make no sense.
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We'd have signed him but he wouldnt move / be official to the summer id guess mate. Does kind of make sense that he had his medical and we were about to sign before COVID hit. Club wouldn't have known the extent by then. I imagine, if the club know they can afford it they will go back to Lille to say yes we can go ahead as planned.

We wouldn't have left it open for 4 months for another club to come adn steal, paperwork would have been done.
 

Paul Rideout said:
the main issue with this is us, the fans. We get attached to players and don’t want to sell them. Case in point, Richarlison. If someone offers 90m using this model, we should sell. But how many people should be crying that we’re a selling club and we have no ambition etc etc etc.
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That's only because of our past history though. Who was the last key player we sold who we replaced with somebody just as good or better? I can remember Moyes doing it with Gravesen/Arteta and Lescott/Distin, and that's about it. While we're selling Lukaku, Stones and Gueye and buying Sandro, Williams and Gbamin (I know it's not his fault he's injured) fans won't buy into the idea. Show the fans that they can trust the process and they'll accept it.
 
Paul Rideout said:
the main issue with this is us, the fans. We get attached to players and don’t want to sell them. Case in point, Richarlison. If someone offers 90m using this model, we should sell. But how many people should be crying that we’re a selling club and we have no ambition etc etc etc.
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I agree with your point about attachment. However with players like Richarlison it is understandable, as he's one of the best players in the league, is a match winner, and we will severely miss his presence on the pitch. Selling a player like Richarlison really sets you back as a club, so the financial 'compensation' is always insufficient.

The annoying thing is when our fans develop attachments to mediocre crap like Bernard, Gomes, James McCarthy etc. In fact, this post will probably give James McCarthy fans palpitations because he had a good game six years ago or something.
 
andy4efc said:
We'd have signed him but he wouldnt move / be official to the summer id guess mate. Does kind of make sense that he had his medical and we were about to sign before COVID hit. Club wouldn't have known the extent by then. I imagine, if the club know they can afford it they will go back to Lille to say yes we can go ahead as planned.

We wouldn't have left it open for 4 months for another club to come adn steal, paperwork would have been done.
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But that's what I'm saying, it doesn't make sense. A medical is usually the last thing to be done isn't it, you agree the deal, agree terms, then do a medical. The medical was supposedly in February, but Covid didn't affect football until mid March. Why hadn't we announced in the 2-6 week period before football was stopped? I'm not saying it didn't happen, nothing surprises me with Everton, i'm just saying it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
 
Lanolin said:
But that's what I'm saying, it doesn't make sense. A medical is usually the last thing to be done isn't it, you agree the deal, agree terms, then do a medical. The medical was supposedly in February, but Covid didn't affect football until mid March. Why hadn't we announced in the 2-6 week period before football was stopped? I'm not saying it didn't happen, nothing surprises me with Everton, i'm just saying it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Not really, medicals often get done before the transfer deal has been agreed.

Who has said the deal was agreed? Usually when two teams are confident of a deal being done, the player can do his medical and personal terms at the same time. I imagine we've had everything sorted with the player, but the negotiating with Lille was still on-going. Lets face it, we do try and penny pinch where we can, particularly under Brands. Even if it was how the deal was being structured rather than the overall price.

We may have been close to finalising it and then COVID hit. Who knows. I would be surprised if Everton announced it anyway before the end of the season. In my 22 years of going the match I dont think I've ever seen us announce a signing for a few months down the line.

Not comitting to a £25m transfer before knowing the affects of COVID is a wise thing to do though.
 
Megatron said:
DiMarzio lol , makes @ForeverBlue92's source look more credible
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Tbf my source has nailed a few things:

Called out the hacks claiming we were in talks with Moist

Advised the club were after a big name (Allegri) in which Carlo subsequently became available.

Confirmed we were in talks with both Gabriel/Allan and hold interest in Everton Soares in which its now revealed Carlo wanted him at Napoli

Not heard much lately though all gone quiet.
 

Dymak said:
I agree with your point about attachment. However with players like Richarlison it is understandable, as he's one of the best players in the league, is a match winner, and we will severely miss his presence on the pitch. Selling a player like Richarlison really sets you back as a club, so the financial 'compensation' is always insufficient.

The annoying thing is when our fans develop attachments to mediocre crap like Bernard, Gomes, James McCarthy etc. In fact, this post will probably give James McCarthy fans palpitations because he had a good game six years ago or something.
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I agree. And never got what people saw in McCarthy. And I would definitely be looking to shift Bernard this summer.
 
andy4efc said:
Not really, medicals often get done before the transfer deal has been agreed.

Who has said the deal was agreed? Usually when two teams are confident of a deal being done, the player can do his medical and personal terms at the same time. I imagine we've had everything sorted with the player, but the negotiating with Lille was still on-going. Lets face it, we do try and penny pinch where we can, particularly under Brands. Even if it was how the deal was being structured rather than the overall price.

We may have been close to finalising it and then COVID hit. Who knows. I would be surprised if Everton announced it anyway before the end of the season. In my 22 years of going the match I dont think I've ever seen us announce a signing for a few months down the line.

Not comitting to a £25m transfer before knowing the affects of COVID is a wise thing to do though.
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Who has said the deal was agreed? Di Marzio, in the tweet I was quoting, you know, the whole reason we're having this conversation?

Again, what you're saying doesn't make sense. What would be the point in doing the medical before we'd agreed a deal with Lille? It makes sense on deadline day to save time, but what on earth would be the point in wasting everybody's time and money by flying a bloke over for a medical 4 months early only to find out you can't agree a deal to buy him? It may have happened, but if it did it was quite a strange thing to do, and as you've said yourself, not something I can remember Everton ever having done before.
 

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