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Everton Youth Teams Thread

I get what you’re saying but I think it’s a little bit different in this case. An 18-year old in the academy won’t be deterred from a signing a long contract because we’ve proven the first team will play you if you’re good enough. The players in question have graduated from the academy and are now BACK in it.

If anything, playing 24-year olds does more damage to attracting youth players than freezing them out ever would.
There's an element of that yes, but what if you're not good enough? That's the dilemma you'd have as a young player. Yeah if i'm really good they'll treat me well, but so would anybody. No teams going to treat me badly if i'm Ross Barkley or John Stones level at 19, but what if i'm Matty Pennington or Joe Williams level? Good, but not that good. Will they look after me or will they freeze me out and say either accept a 40% pay cut and move 200 miles away to this team that wants you or you can rot away for a couple of years without ever pulling on the shirt again.

As I said earlier, I already understand your point of view. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it's more nuanced and a difficult balancing act, rather than just being a case of saying we don't need them so they can be dropped or that we should play them every week. The problem was giving them the contracts in the first place, and that's where we need to improve. Having players who haven't broken through by 24 but are still under contract is a long way from ideal, but you have to come up with a solution better than just leaving them out of all your teams in my opinion.
 
Adenarian and Bowler are weird ones for me. Everyone is always banging on about young players needing games in the football league playing men's football. Adenarian and Bowler were at lower league teams at the time and pushing for 1st team football and swapped it for U23 football where they are miles from 1st team football.
 
Adenarian and Bowler are weird ones for me. Everyone is always banging on about young players needing games in the football league playing men's football. Adenarian and Bowler were at lower league teams at the time and pushing for 1st team football and swapped it for U23 football where they are miles from 1st team football.
I said exactly the same earlier, it seems very odd to me.
 
There's an element of that yes, but what if you're not good enough? That's the dilemma you'd have as a young player. Yeah if i'm really good they'll treat me well, but so would anybody. No teams going to treat me badly if i'm Ross Barkley or John Stones level at 19, but what if i'm Matty Pennington or Joe Williams level? Good, but not that good. Will they look after me or will they freeze me out and say either accept a 40% pay cut and move 200 miles away to this team that wants you or you can rot away for a couple of years without ever pulling on the shirt again.

As I said earlier, I already understand your point of view. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it's more nuanced and a difficult balancing act, rather than just being a case of saying we don't need them so they can be dropped or that we should play them every week. The problem was giving them the contracts in the first place, and that's where we need to improve. Having players who haven't broken through by 24 but are still under contract is a long way from ideal, but you have to come up with a solution better than just leaving them out of all your teams in my opinion.

Yeh I guess but I mean we are actively looking to sell them which is a good sign. Any players that’s not quite good just needs to get sold as they should want to go out and prove themselves.

All I know is if they’re still playing here in a couple of months time I’ll really question Brands’ recent comments about bringing players through the youth team.

For a lot of this U23 squad this first year in the new regime is crucial.
 
It is important that the under 23's are able to build a strong winning team and a winning mentality to carry forward into the senior team for those who get that far.

It is alright to play a team made up of young boys but getting beaten in every game they play won't help their development.
I think David U nsworth is perfectly happy to play a couple of slightly older players with first team experience alongside the young lads.
Reserve teams in the past were made uo of youngsters playing alongside senior players not in the first team or coming back from injury and they learned from them.

The under 23 competition is about getting young players through to senior football at some level. Learning from more experienced players is a great way to learn.
The purpose of Finch Farm was to get all the players on the same campus and for the youngsters to learn how the older players train, play and lead their lives.
 

Yeh I guess but I mean we are actively looking to sell them which is a good sign. Any players that’s not quite good just needs to get sold as they should want to go out and prove themselves.

All I know is if they’re still playing here in a couple of months time I’ll really question Brands’ recent comments about bringing players through the youth team.

For a lot of this U23 squad this first year in the new regime is crucial.

If they are good enough they will break through, if not they will join the rest in League One.
 
I didn't say they were academy players though. I said, it won't help us run a successful academy if we just freeze players out once they reach a certain age. No promising 18 year old is going to commit to a 4 or 5 year deal if they think that they'll spend the last 2 years of that kicking their heels because we don't pick them for any team once we get bored of waiting for them to be first team ready, it's just common sense.

I'm not saying we should feel sorry for them or anything, simply that it's not a good business plan to hide away assets which are costing you money so nobody will take them off your hands.

I've already said, giving Browning and Pennington new contracts was stupid, you won't find me arguing there. The damage is done now though, and the only thing worse than giving Pennington a new deal would be giving him a new deal and then refusing to even play him for the under 23s. Same with turning down a £1million bid for Williams in January and then continuing to pay him for 2 years just for turning up to training.

That's before we even get on to the potential pitfalls of having to use under 18s in the 23s before they're ready, and then in turn having to pull players from lower age groups to cover their teams...

There's a lot more to think about when looking at the long term success of the academy than just whether a player currently in the under 23s is going to contribute to the first team.
To be fair you both have a point. But we have to look at the big picture and decide what is more important for the club from a strategic point of view.

Are the U23 matches better served giving games to older players deemed not good enough to have a long term career at the club, so that we can keep them match fit and therefore easier to offload, either by selling or loaning?. Or should we be using them to develop to develop the better younger players coming out of the academy and U18s?

Personally, I think it's the latter. Whilst there are exceptional circumstances such as senior players coming back off long injuries getting a run out, I don't want to see older players holding down places at the expense of younger players that are deemed ready for the step up in standard.

If there aren't any younger players in that position that fit that bill then I don't see any issue in playing the likes of Galloway. That may be the case at the moment with Feeney and Gibson both being injured.
 
They’re not academy players though are they? Browning (24) and Pennington (almost 24) should be nowhere near an academy. If they’re here past the 31st I’ll bet good money we’ll rarely see them. Just because we have them doesn’t mean we have to play them. If they’re not generating interest now whilst playing we may as well drop them. They’re only starting now for the shop window.

It’s just the same as Bolasie and Besic only we can’t risk putting them in the shop window as the stakes are far greater in a PL match.
Browning is in his last year at Everton, he'll be gone on loan before the end of this transfer window, and his career will be over at Everton and he will get a decent signing on contract with his new club next season, Pennington will also be gone before the end of the transfer window either on loan or sold for about £2M or more.
 
Joe Williams being linked with a loan move to several clubs.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport...ristol-city-linked-everton-midfielder-1922013

"Everton midfielder Joe Williams has been linked with a loan move to Bristol City.

The 21-year-old spent last season on loan at Barnsley where he made 38 appearances for the Tykes, scoring once.

Bristol City have lost midfielder Korey Smith for a significant period of time after he underwent surgery on a knee injury today and it's possible that Williams is seen as a short-term alternative.

However, the Robins face competition from Hull City, Bolton Wanderers, Birmingham City for the Liverpool-born midfielder.

Football Insider report that Bolton are leading the race to sign Williams as he looks to stay in the North-West.

It is apparently Bolton who are leading the race for the highly-rated midfielder and they look to keep him in the North-West".
 
Joe Williams being linked with a loan move to several clubs.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport...ristol-city-linked-everton-midfielder-1922013

"Everton midfielder Joe Williams has been linked with a loan move to Bristol City.

The 21-year-old spent last season on loan at Barnsley where he made 38 appearances for the Tykes, scoring once.

Bristol City have lost midfielder Korey Smith for a significant period of time after he underwent surgery on a knee injury today and it's possible that Williams is seen as a short-term alternative.

However, the Robins face competition from Hull City, Bolton Wanderers, Birmingham City for the Liverpool-born midfielder.

Football Insider report that Bolton are leading the race to sign Williams as he looks to stay in the North-West.

It is apparently Bolton who are leading the race for the highly-rated midfielder and they look to keep him in the North-West".

Be kick in the teeth for Liam Walsh if Williams came in on loan and got in the team ahead of him
 

Hasn't made it off the subs bench so far this season though, despite the injury, apart from the League Cup where he played in the match where they lost at home to Plymouth.

...there was lots of angst when Walsh was sold but the club doesn’t get many of those decisions wrong and it comes to a point where you need to play or sell them.
 

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