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Everton Youth Teams Thread

...living around the corner from Bellefield there was real access to Lancashire League games every Saturday morning, I was a regular there for many years so got to know the set-up very well. It was great not only seeing those youngsters coming through, but the likes of Giggs and Fowler in the opposition & players like Bracewell & Van den Hauwe coming back from injury.

No doubting the best. 5 mins of seeing one youngster for the first time prompted me to ask ‘who is that’ to one of the coaches, ‘his name is Rooney & he’s only 15’. Weirdly, he wasn’t playing particularly well but everything just looked right. Wow.

And I honestly think, you can probably keep going to football for the next 50 years, and you might not see another lad like Rooney, at 15, for any club. Where you could see, even at 15 he was so well rounded he could already be a very good pro.

It seems very odd, but those who saw that young Rooney will probably attest to him probably slightly underachieving in his career. It sounds odd for a guy who win the lot, multiple times, many as captain. A guy who is the record goal scorer for his country and for the countries most successful team. Hes arguably the greatest player the country has produced. I'm not sure there should have been a debate though.
 

Yeah, all good points again.

Gordon has plenty of time to come good (as does Dowell, going back to him) but ultimately if he wants to make it at the top level, he will need to produce the goods. Hints of promise are great when you're 17/18, but when you get to 20/21 you need to actually show you're capable of translating that into performances. As I said to someone earlier, the circumstances will never be perfect. There will always be a manager under pressure, or another player who the team is set up to get the best out of, or results will be really important, or the team around you will be poor. They're just excuses, not in a harsh way, just a realistic one. If you need the perfect scenario in order to do well then you're not cut out for top level sport, it's a cut throat business, there's no point pretending it's not.

Yes all true.

The reality is, most fans would shout for the head of Ancelotti if we are 14th next season but he played younger players. I'm not having a go, as I probably would. I dont know enough about German, Spanish or French football but I doubt that culture is quite is strong. So using a German example, and wanting us to emulate that, never makes a lot of sense to me.

The manager will put a player in if hes good enough. It's kind of the only way it can be.

Gordon probably has a bit of time left here, but not much. I do think once you start going on more than 1 loan, you're in trouble. You hope the time away has done him good, but next pre season is really important to him. Sometimes it's just a case you become more mature. Or you believe you can do it.

I believe hes 20 now, and as you say not money make the step up after that.

I appreciate that will sound callous to people, but that's where we are at. Theres Dobbin who's a year below, theres Whittaker who's 17 who are both looking promising.

Dowell is a good example too. Yes on the one hand people will view him a failure. He will be back in the PL with Norwich next year. He will probably have a contract not far off 1m per year and once that contract runs out, I'd imagine he will be a multi-millionaire. Sure he wont ake it here, but he will do very well, and if Gordon doesnt quite make it, I'm sure he will be too. So I dont worry too much in general.

It's been a poor year for Gordon, but if you went back 2-3 years, I'm sure he'd have bitten your hand off for where he is now.
 
About time, should have been done years ago instead of having a load of 22/23 year olds who will never make it. Get rid or get them out on loan and bring the younger ones through earlier


Some big decisions to be made there at U23s level for the likes of Astley and John . Anderson, Ouzounidis and Hansen are highly likely to go, and Bobby Carroll’s contract is up too, shame he’s been hit by so much lost time to injury. If they do move out Anderson, Ouzounidis, Astley, John then the young u18s defence of Small, Campbell, Welch, Mallon could move up en mass, very young for an U23s defence and with not a lot of U23s experience between them so far, plus defenders Kristensen and Harry Hagan who have contracts already.

The other factors are our current u16s who become Scholars come July and our talented u15s a few of whom will be in the mix as Schoolboy u16s next season. Many will need to play U18 right from the start of the season so we must have a lot of faith in them if we do reduce the older ones drastically. Throw in a couple of purchases to fill gaps and we will have a very different U23s team next season than the one that started this.
 

This from the Echo re Kouyate’s injury. Unusual to have an op on your hamstring when you’re that young.

Everton academy forward Katia Kouyate has undergone a successful operation to repair a damaged hamstring tendon.

The 17-year-old - who made his under-23 debut under David Unsworth this season - is in recovery and will continue to work alongside club medical staff throughout his rehabilitation.


Kouyate posted on social media: "Op was successful we give all thanks to the most high road to recovery big season to come."

Able to play across the forward line, Kouyate impressed Unsworth after making his u-23 bow at Blackburn Rovers in November.

Unsworth told the ECHO afterwards: "I was delighted with Katia. He showed some glimpses, some real flashes of pace and directness and power.
 
This from the Echo re Kouyate’s injury. Unusual to have an op on your hamstring when you’re that young.

Everton academy forward Katia Kouyate has undergone a successful operation to repair a damaged hamstring tendon.

The 17-year-old - who made his under-23 debut under David Unsworth this season - is in recovery and will continue to work alongside club medical staff throughout his rehabilitation.


Kouyate posted on social media: "Op was successful we give all thanks to the most high road to recovery big season to come."

Able to play across the forward line, Kouyate impressed Unsworth after making his u-23 bow at Blackburn Rovers in November.

Unsworth told the ECHO afterwards: "I was delighted with Katia. He showed some glimpses, some real flashes of pace and directness and power.

All our most promising young players around that age all picking up bad injuries again, Dobbin, Onyango and kouyate.
With all the talk about why we haven't been producing 1st team players injuries are rarely mentioned.
 
Some big decisions to be made there at U23s level for the likes of Astley and John . Anderson, Ouzounidis and Hansen are highly likely to go, and Bobby Carroll’s contract is up too, shame he’s been hit by so much lost time to injury. If they do move out Anderson, Ouzounidis, Astley, John then the young u18s defence of Small, Campbell, Welch, Mallon could move up en mass, very young for an U23s defence and with not a lot of U23s experience between them so far, plus defenders Kristensen and Harry Hagan who have contracts already.

The other factors are our current u16s who become Scholars come July and our talented u15s a few of whom will be in the mix as Schoolboy u16s next season. Many will need to play U18 right from the start of the season so we must have a lot of faith in them if we do reduce the older ones drastically. Throw in a couple of purchases to fill gaps and we will have a very different U23s team next season than the one that started this.

Let them all go; no future at Everton. Need to be more ruthless. We need to field a team but personally don’t care how young they are.
 

This from the Echo re Kouyate’s injury. Unusual to have an op on your hamstring when you’re that young.

Everton academy forward Katia Kouyate has undergone a successful operation to repair a damaged hamstring tendon.

The 17-year-old - who made his under-23 debut under David Unsworth this season - is in recovery and will continue to work alongside club medical staff throughout his rehabilitation.


Kouyate posted on social media: "Op was successful we give all thanks to the most high road to recovery big season to come."

Able to play across the forward line, Kouyate impressed Unsworth after making his u-23 bow at Blackburn Rovers in November.

Unsworth told the ECHO afterwards: "I was delighted with Katia. He showed some glimpses, some real flashes of pace and directness and power.

Part of me fears whatever potential he had could be shot after a bad hammy injury.
 
All our most promising young players around that age all picking up bad injuries again, Dobbin, Onyango and kouyate.
With all the talk about why we haven't been producing 1st team players injuries are rarely mentioned.

It's true. Certainly of Dobbin as well who I think may have been in the match day squads had he stayed fit.
 
Astley is probably the one exception you may look at again and try to get him out on loan. But other than that yes, need to be ruthless.

I understand the initial hype with Astley playing so young but let’s face it, he’s of no different of a profile to Feeney who never made it here. You just can’t be that slight and play at the back unless you’re extra special.
 

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