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Everton Youth Teams Thread


I joined this forum because I, as a Scotland fan think Nathan Patterson is a prodigious talent. Possibly the best to come out of Scotland since Tierney or Robertson. I have seen him for 60 mins in the U23's game in which he created a goal and 45mins, as a wingback in the cup. IMHO he was close to being the best player for Everton in that first half. He was taken off for 'tactical reasons' OK... fine.

I have had many... 'discussions' with forum members. I am, without doubt, bias here but if they are right and Patterson 'isn't up to it' then I ask why is he not playing in the U23's? To put him on the bench in full games as the third choice RB seems beyond stupid to me.

I have seen many posts of 'We were mugged for 10-16million'. If Everton paid 16million for a player that doesn't even get a game in their U23's... what, may I ask was the teams plan here? Loan him out next season..., as some are insisting? What, 10 Million on a player you want to loan in 6 months? Didn't you loan out JJK for 2 years?
 
Peacemaker said:
I joined this forum because I, as a Scotland fan think Nathan Patterson is a prodigious talent. Possibly the best to come out of Scotland since Tierney or Robertson. I have seen him for 60 mins in the U23's game in which he created a goal and 45mins, as a wingback in the cup. IMHO he was close to being the best player for Everton in that first half. He was taken off for 'tactical reasons' OK... fine.

I have had many... 'discussions' with forum members. I am, without doubt, bias here but if they are right and Patterson 'isn't up to it' then I ask why is he not playing in the U23's? To put him on the bench in full games as the third choice RB seems beyond stupid to me.

I have seen many posts of 'We were mugged for 10-16million'. If Everton paid 16million for a player that doesn't even get a game in their U23's... what, may I ask was the teams plan here? Loan him out next season..., as some are insisting? What, 10 Million on a player you want to loan in 6 months? Didn't you loan out JJK for 2 years?
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Do you honestly think we have a plan?

Wow.
 
Peacemaker said:
I joined this forum because I, as a Scotland fan think Nathan Patterson is a prodigious talent. Possibly the best to come out of Scotland since Tierney or Robertson. I have seen him for 60 mins in the U23's game in which he created a goal and 45mins, as a wingback in the cup. IMHO he was close to being the best player for Everton in that first half. He was taken off for 'tactical reasons' OK... fine.

I have had many... 'discussions' with forum members. I am, without doubt, bias here but if they are right and Patterson 'isn't up to it' then I ask why is he not playing in the U23's? To put him on the bench in full games as the third choice RB seems beyond stupid to me.

I have seen many posts of 'We were mugged for 10-16million'. If Everton paid 16million for a player that doesn't even get a game in their U23's... what, may I ask was the teams plan here? Loan him out next season..., as some are insisting? What, 10 Million on a player you want to loan in 6 months? Didn't you loan out JJK for 2 years?
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The way that I see it is that there is a huge chasm between u23 football and premier league football that most young players can't bridge. Should also be noted that Everton don't have a great record of helping young players bridge that gap either, generally because of unrest at the club, changing managers too often and a lot of poor recruitment.

This is unfortunately where Patterson is at the moment. He was in this position at Rangers so really no surprise that he's in the same position here too. Everton also seem to think that at some point the players don't benefit from u23 football otherwise we'd be seeing Branthwaite playing for them every week.

The good news though is that we've spent £10m+ on him during a time for the club where money is a really precious commodity. It's pretty unlikely in my opinion that we could recoup our full fee on him in the summer. It's also well known that Coleman is on his way out and Kenny may well be too (who knows). All this adds up to Everton essentially being forced into blooding him this summer (or late this season if we're somehow safe) ready for next season.

So essentially, just wait and he'll get his chance.

Weirdly I actually think he's more highly rated by the club than Mykolenko even though he's had less appearances.
 
oglop44 said:
The way that I see it is that there is a huge chasm between u23 football and premier league football that most young players can't bridge. Should also be noted that Everton don't have a great record of helping young players bridge that gap either, generally because of unrest at the club, changing managers too often and a lot of poor recruitment.

This is unfortunately where Patterson is at the moment. He was in this position at Rangers so really no surprise that he's in the same position here too. Everton also seem to think that at some point the players don't benefit from u23 football otherwise we'd be seeing Branthwaite playing for them every week.

The good news though is that we've spent £10m+ on him during a time for the club where money is a really precious commodity. It's pretty unlikely in my opinion that we could recoup our full fee on him in the summer. It's also well known that Coleman is on his way out and Kenny may well be too (who knows). All this adds up to Everton essentially being forced into blooding him this summer (or late this season if we're somehow safe) ready for next season.

So essentially, just wait and he'll get his chance.

Weirdly I actually think he's more highly rated by the club than Mykolenko even though he's had less appearances.
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He should still be playing for the U23’s though regardless of the difficulty level just to stay sharp. If, through injury/suspension, Lampard is forced to use him in the PL he’s going to be so undercooked.
 

Peacemaker said:
I joined this forum because I, as a Scotland fan think Nathan Patterson is a prodigious talent. Possibly the best to come out of Scotland since Tierney or Robertson. I have seen him for 60 mins in the U23's game in which he created a goal and 45mins, as a wingback in the cup. IMHO he was close to being the best player for Everton in that first half. He was taken off for 'tactical reasons' OK... fine.

I have had many... 'discussions' with forum members. I am, without doubt, bias here but if they are right and Patterson 'isn't up to it' then I ask why is he not playing in the U23's? To put him on the bench in full games as the third choice RB seems beyond stupid to me.

I have seen many posts of 'We were mugged for 10-16million'. If Everton paid 16million for a player that doesn't even get a game in their U23's... what, may I ask was the teams plan here? Loan him out next season..., as some are insisting? What, 10 Million on a player you want to loan in 6 months? Didn't you loan out JJK for 2 years?
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I believe that he would have had far more playing minutes if we were not in the precarious position we find ourselves.

I believe we will see plenty of him next season.
I have no doubt that nobody at the club expected him to become first choice immediately.
 
Peacemaker said:
I joined this forum because I, as a Scotland fan think Nathan Patterson is a prodigious talent. Possibly the best to come out of Scotland since Tierney or Robertson. I have seen him for 60 mins in the U23's game in which he created a goal and 45mins, as a wingback in the cup. IMHO he was close to being the best player for Everton in that first half. He was taken off for 'tactical reasons' OK... fine.

I have had many... 'discussions' with forum members. I am, without doubt, bias here but if they are right and Patterson 'isn't up to it' then I ask why is he not playing in the U23's? To put him on the bench in full games as the third choice RB seems beyond stupid to me.

I have seen many posts of 'We were mugged for 10-16million'. If Everton paid 16million for a player that doesn't even get a game in their U23's... what, may I ask was the teams plan here? Loan him out next season..., as some are insisting? What, 10 Million on a player you want to loan in 6 months? Didn't you loan out JJK for 2 years?
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Some interesting questions raised here.

Patterson has played 1 game, which he seemed to do ok in, but was sacrificed for a formation shift.

The understanding I have is Everton were interested in the summer at a lower price, and then went to 10-16m in the winter window. There was no DOF and perhaps some absence of strategy. There is now a new manager in charge. So to some extent the lad is a victim of circumstance.

I haven't seen a lot of him, but there are some questions about the lads ability defensively, which in a side that is down then bottom end of the league is problematic. Coleman is club captain and gives experience, even though performance level hasn't been right.

Lampard has always been a manager who is happy to blood younger players, but you sense he may need a pre-season to get himself into the managers plans. It took Robertson 6 months to break into the Liverpool team with a pre-season there and he was playing in the PL before. It does take a bit of time and he is probably a risk we can't afford at this point.

As for why no Under 23's, its a valid point bit I wonder what value it gives. I also think you have this conundrum that if a player plays for the 23's they can't really be involved in the 1st team as the games are often within a day of each other. He is in that difficult space of probably too close to the 1st team to be able to play for the 23's, but not close enough to be picked. Gordon was in that spot last season, it's frustrating, but the hope has to be when he gets a chance he will grab it.

The general perception is people want him to do well, and I think most fans are not writing him off at all. But it will probably take a bit of time.
 
oglop44 said:
The way that I see it is that there is a huge chasm between u23 football and premier league football that most young players can't bridge. Should also be noted that Everton don't have a great record of helping young players bridge that gap either, generally because of unrest at the club, changing managers too often and a lot of poor recruitment.

This is unfortunately where Patterson is at the moment. He was in this position at Rangers so really no surprise that he's in the same position here too. Everton also seem to think that at some point the players don't benefit from u23 football otherwise we'd be seeing Branthwaite playing for them every week.

The good news though is that we've spent £10m+ on him during a time for the club where money is a really precious commodity. It's pretty unlikely in my opinion that we could recoup our full fee on him in the summer. It's also well known that Coleman is on his way out and Kenny may well be too (who knows). All this adds up to Everton essentially being forced into blooding him this summer (or late this season if we're somehow safe) ready for next season.

So essentially, just wait and he'll get his chance.

Weirdly I actually think he's more highly rated by the club than Mykolenko even though he's had less appearances.
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…Patterson is a regular full international, he’s been MoM in key international qualifiers and an Old Firm Game. This isn’t about bridging the gap from U23level, Patterson has crossed that bridge.

i am bewildered how he’s not getting game time & I have to question Lampard’s judgement in team selection. Some of those decisions I can’t understand.
 

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