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Everton Youth Teams Thread

atrottel said:
I'm sure we'd all like them to go to ideal places for their development, but in the end there are a limited number of places that will take a loan player in a certain position and a degree of competition between higher level clubs who have players to loan out (especially those like Spurs and Chelsea who make a business of overloading their youth ranks and then loaning them out).

I think we do fairly well at what we do and as far as I understand Joe Royle is partly there to foster relationships with target clubs (so that they will take our players on loan, for example). But I'm sure there come times when there is a compromise: do we let someone go out to a club that is less than ideal or do we keep them at U21 level where there are not that many competitive games and it anyway ends up with you playing against players who are at the same level as you, not experienced pros who know what it takes to survive in the league.
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no problem sending players to league 2 for a first loan but sending the likes of brewster to gash teams in gash leagues is strange.
 
mightymoyes said:
no problem sending players to league 2 for a first loan but sending the likes of brewster to gash teams in gash leagues is strange.
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Not really, arguably it's on the same level or a bit better than the U18 league (which he currently plays in) but he's playing against a load of grown men instead of young boys. Plus winning and losing actually matters and they play much more regularly, and he's guaranteed to be a starter. Good experience for a month.
 
Coffee and TV said:
Not really, arguably it's on the same level or a bit better than the U18 league (which he currently plays in) but he's playing against a load of grown men instead of young boys. Plus winning and losing actually matters and they play much more regularly, and he's guaranteed to be a starter. Good experience for a month.
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im of the opinion if it was a good idea all the top clubs would be doing it. if you look at other players on loan to clubs in that league they come from league 1 & 2 teams. i dont think any other premier league teams loan players out that low down the pyramid. certainly not ones they have any hopes for.
 
mightymoyes said:
im of the opinion if it was a good idea all the top clubs would be doing it. if you look at other players on loan to clubs in that league they come from league 1 & 2 teams. i dont think any other premier league teams loan players out that low down the pyramid. certainly not ones they have any hopes for.
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We loan out the players we want to get experience as starters but we don't want to lose for more than a month. No football league team will take a 17 year old that hasn't even played in the U21 league regularly and make him a starter then let him leave a month later. The ones we think are ready for a full loan go out to League 2 or above for longer loans like Ledson and Walsh.
 
Coffee and TV said:
We loan out the players we want to get experience as starters but we don't want to lose for more than a month. No football league team will take a 17 year old that hasn't even played in the U21 league regularly and make him a starter then let him leave a month later. The ones we think are ready for a full loan go out to League 2 or above for longer loans like Ledson and Walsh.
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brewster is 18 too. we'll have to agree to differ. suppose we'll find out in a few years if it does any good.
 

mightymoyes said:
Lundstram has a point, some of the places we send our young players makes absolutely no sense. I know he wasnt in the job at the time but not sure Joe royle is doing that good a job.
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How many teams below the PL play the type of football we play though? There aren't that many teams like Bournemouth who play that style in the lower leagues. I agree with you, but we may be starved for options if you know what I mean.
 
blueloon said:
There's an interview with Dr Peter Vint, the new Academy Head , on the OS . He's saying all the right things and potentially an exciting appointment for the club bringing in different expertise. It will be interesting to see if he also tackles two things mentioned above.
@bluebrotha77 mentions the 4 coaches in the Academy and Holland mentions coaches too. It may be "unique" to rotate 4 coaches but does it work? It's the players we are developing at this level, not the coaches . Does rotation make for confusion and some unsettling at such a young age? The best spell our U18s have had this year was the first 6 or 7 games where it was noticeable that they used a fairly settled team in this period with the same players playing regularly. You need a degree of rotation to find out just how good some are, but undoubtedly settled sides and settled coaches pay dividends too.
I'm with @mightymoyes re some of the places we've sent our youngsters to this season. Roberto is big on making sure youngsters he's purchased can face the rigours of English football, something he's mentioned with Leandro, Henen and Tarashaj. They seem to want to toughen our local youngsters too, and maybe Ledson and Walsh's loans to League2 will do that given they are both abrasive/competive players , but the loans to National League North and below that have occurred, Brewster, Dyson, Duffus etc don't seem to make a lot of sense in terms of developing a skill set - I just can't see them playing skilfull football that will progress them at that level. In contrast, our most successful loanee this season appears to be Conor Grant playing in League 1 at a level which is allowing him to develop his skills. Same could be said of Kenny's loan at Wigan , Pennington at Coventry last season. We can't stick them all in at League 1 level when they are only 18 but it's probably the league to aim for with a balance of right skill level and likelihood that youngsters would get regular games at that level.
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I can only assume it's to give them a taste of being a real professional footballer...teaching them as much to be a pro firstly, as to improve the skill set. Does that make sense?
 
U21s playing City away today/tonight, seems ages since they played. It's hard to remember who's on loan or injured, I haven't a clue which GK is where , who needs game time, who's being rested etc but my brain is idle at the moment so I've applied it to a likely team. I'm assuming Pennington and McAleny may stay with 1st team for a while, but Leandro would benefit from game time, rest is an educated guess and err my preferences .
Hewelt; Kenny, Holgate, Matty Foulds, Connolly; Williams , Davies; Charsley, Evans, Dowell, Leandro (or Dyson).
Apart from Leandro that's 17, 18, 19 year olds , maybe even the 16 year old Morgan Feeny may feature. It'll be a tough game at City, and it's time to start picking up more points so we don't end up being pulled into a relegation fight like the end of last season when we let many go out on loan. Secure the status first then sort the loans.
 
blueloon said:
U21s playing City away today/tonight, seems ages since they played. It's hard to remember who's on loan or injured, I haven't a clue which GK is where , who needs game time, who's being rested etc but my brain is idle at the moment so I've applied it to a likely team. I'm assuming Pennington and McAleny may stay with 1st team for a while, but Leandro would benefit from game time, rest is an educated guess and err my preferences .
Hewelt; Kenny, Holgate, Matty Foulds, Connolly; Williams , Davies; Charsley, Evans, Dowell, Leandro (or Dyson).
Apart from Leandro that's 17, 18, 19 year olds , maybe even the 16 year old Morgan Feeny may feature. It'll be a tough game at City, and it's time to start picking up more points so we don't end up being pulled into a relegation fight like the end of last season when we let many go out on loan. Secure the status first then sort the loans.
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Tottenham Hotspur U21 v Everton U21
U21 Premier League
19:15
Sky Sports 1 / Sky Sports 1 HD
 

Under-21s Face Man City
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@Everton 11 January 2016 14:08


Everton Under-21s finally return to action against Manchester City on Monday evening.

The Young Blues travel to the City Football Academy for a 7pm kick-off - their first match since drawing 1-1 with Tottenham Hotspur in mid-December.

Everton’s wait for a match has been due to the poor weather, with the home fixture against Newcastle United twice falling to the wet conditions that have recently hit the north-west.

Monday’s meeting with Manchester City could see a first official outing for new signing Matty Foulds, who completed his transfer from Bury when the transfer window re-opened at the start of January.

Defender Foulds featured in the draw with Spurs before Christmas but on that occasion he played on a ‘trial’ basis as per competition rules.

Foulds says he has settled in well at Everton and is particularly enjoying working with Blues Under-21s coach David Unsworth.

“He is like my old coach at Bury [David Flitcroft]. He demands the best out of you and, for me, that’s the best way to learn.

“He played left-back and centre-back at the highest level, so his experience will be valuable.”

Everton and Manchester City head into Monday’s match level on 14 points, with the hosts sitting one place above the Young Blues in fifth, due to their superior goal difference.

There will be live updates from the City Football Academy on the official Everton Twitter account, with a match report appearing here on the official website shortly after the full-time whistle.
 

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