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Everton Youth Teams Thread

Yeah I'm disappointed too that more youngsters havent featured against D&R, this for me is as close to a " Europa league dead match" as we'll get all season and the perfect chance to give the fans a bit of excitement with a young face starting and give youngsters more exposure.
 
Yeah I'm disappointed too that more youngsters havent featured against D&R, this for me is as close to a " Europa league dead match" as we'll get all season and the perfect chance to give the fans a bit of excitement with a young face starting and give youngsters more exposure.

...it's easy to say more youngsters could've played in the cup but what happens if they aren't up to it and we get knocked out?
 
Yeah I'm disappointed too that more youngsters havent featured against D&R, this for me is as close to a " Europa league dead match" as we'll get all season and the perfect chance to give the fans a bit of excitement with a young face starting and give youngsters more exposure.

they'll get the chance in coming years. we haven't won a trophy for 21 years, can't go around throwing away chances just to give an hour a half to young players who may or may not make it.

The game is the perfect to see what players like pienaar and oviedo can offer until the end of the season imo. Playing for their contracts.
 
Why because he's 23? Mason and Carroll have been given chances at Spurs when they were that age and look how that's paid off! Footballs evolving and players develop at different ages, just because he's not in the team at 21 doesn't mean he doesn't have a chance of a career. Give the guy a chance and get behind him if he plays. COYB

cos he 100% has no future at everton
 
...it's easy to say more youngsters could've played in the cup but what happens if they aren't up to it and we get knocked out?
Yeah but with that perspective you'll never play a youngster cos they'll be up against a PL player and we'll always need points as they mean money. At home against 2nd bottom team in League 2 is as good as it's going to get this season. .....and anyway I'm allowed to push the youngsters as this is the Youth Team thread :-)
 

Yeah but with that perspective you'll never play a youngster cos they'll be up against a PL player and we'll always need points as they mean money. At home against 2nd bottom team in League 2 is as good as it's going to get this season. .....and anyway I'm allowed to push the youngsters as this is the Youth Team thread :)

....no problem with pushing youngsters, no problem at all but they have to be good enough. It's a massive step up to Premier League or even league standard. Rufus went on loan to Slelnersdale today, I know a couple of lads who play in the Liverpool Sunday Premier League who play for Skem, that's the standard.

Lads will get a chance if they're good enough.
 
Glad the move is successful for John, wish him well.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/09/john-lundstram-oxford-united-swansea-fa-cup-everton
In the summer of 2013 John Lundstram started England’s opening match at the Under-20 World Cup alongside Ross Barkley, Harry Kane and Eric Dier, with John Stones on the bench. Last Sunday, while the other four players contested the Premier League match between Everton and Tottenham Hotspur, Lundstram was pursuing his football education at Oxford United, having turned down a new contract at Everton in the summer. “It was the best decision I ever made,” says the 21-year-old midfielder who aims to show on Sunday, when Oxford host Swansea City in the third round of the FA Cup, that he has what it takes to graduate back to the elite.

Lundstram was nominated for the League Two player of the month award for December and feels that his career is finally taking flight. It is doing so partially because he has learned to exert more control over the direction he takes.

In 2013 he went to the World Cup on the back of impressive performances as a loanee at Doncaster Rovers, whom he helped to the League One title, and with high hopes of breaking into the Everton first team. But that was also the summer in which Roberto Martínez arrived at Goodison Park to replace David Moyes, under whom Lundstram had seemed poised to make a breakthrough.

“When David Moyes was at Everton I was in the squad and with the first team and doing really well but as soon as he left it just wasn’t the same for me,” says Lundstram without bitterness. “It’s a game of opinions and I wasn’t involved in the first team as much as I’d have liked under Martínez. I was meant to go on a pre-season tour with the first team when I came back from Doncaster and then, a couple of days before that, I got taken off the squad list to go and I was never told why. That knocked my confidence a bit and little things like that set me back a bit. Then I had to go on loan to Yeovil.”

Yeovil were bottom of the Championship and their style did not suit a player whose main quality is his expansive passing. “It wasn’t the right club because we never had the ball,” he says, raising an issue that affects many young players’ development: in three years as a professional at Everton he went to five different clubs on loan and wishes he had been more assertive about his moves. “If I had my time again, I’d have more say in where I went and would say ‘no’ to some things. But I was just trying to please the manager and saying ‘yes, yes, yes’ all the time.”

When his contract expired at Goodison last summer Everton offered him a six-month deal but this time he did say no. “I didn’t feel it was worth wasting any more time, so I just wanted to get out there and start playing first-team football regularly – and not on loan for once. It definitely makes a difference being permanent. You just feel much more part of things.”
 

Glad the move is successful for John, wish him well.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/09/john-lundstram-oxford-united-swansea-fa-cup-everton
In the summer of 2013 John Lundstram started England’s opening match at the Under-20 World Cup alongside Ross Barkley, Harry Kane and Eric Dier, with John Stones on the bench. Last Sunday, while the other four players contested the Premier League match between Everton and Tottenham Hotspur, Lundstram was pursuing his football education at Oxford United, having turned down a new contract at Everton in the summer. “It was the best decision I ever made,” says the 21-year-old midfielder who aims to show on Sunday, when Oxford host Swansea City in the third round of the FA Cup, that he has what it takes to graduate back to the elite.

Lundstram was nominated for the League Two player of the month award for December and feels that his career is finally taking flight. It is doing so partially because he has learned to exert more control over the direction he takes.

In 2013 he went to the World Cup on the back of impressive performances as a loanee at Doncaster Rovers, whom he helped to the League One title, and with high hopes of breaking into the Everton first team. But that was also the summer in which Roberto Martínez arrived at Goodison Park to replace David Moyes, under whom Lundstram had seemed poised to make a breakthrough.

“When David Moyes was at Everton I was in the squad and with the first team and doing really well but as soon as he left it just wasn’t the same for me,” says Lundstram without bitterness. “It’s a game of opinions and I wasn’t involved in the first team as much as I’d have liked under Martínez. I was meant to go on a pre-season tour with the first team when I came back from Doncaster and then, a couple of days before that, I got taken off the squad list to go and I was never told why. That knocked my confidence a bit and little things like that set me back a bit. Then I had to go on loan to Yeovil.”

Yeovil were bottom of the Championship and their style did not suit a player whose main quality is his expansive passing. “It wasn’t the right club because we never had the ball,” he says, raising an issue that affects many young players’ development: in three years as a professional at Everton he went to five different clubs on loan and wishes he had been more assertive about his moves. “If I had my time again, I’d have more say in where I went and would say ‘no’ to some things. But I was just trying to please the manager and saying ‘yes, yes, yes’ all the time.”

When his contract expired at Goodison last summer Everton offered him a six-month deal but this time he did say no. “I didn’t feel it was worth wasting any more time, so I just wanted to get out there and start playing first-team football regularly – and not on loan for once. It definitely makes a difference being permanent. You just feel much more part of things.”

Lundstram has a point, some of the places we send our young players makes absolutely no sense. I know he wasnt in the job at the time but not sure Joe royle is doing that good a job.
 
There's an interview with Dr Peter Vint, the new Academy Head , on the OS . He's saying all the right things and potentially an exciting appointment for the club bringing in different expertise. It will be interesting to see if he also tackles two things mentioned above.
@bluebrotha77 mentions the 4 coaches in the Academy and Holland mentions coaches too. It may be "unique" to rotate 4 coaches but does it work? It's the players we are developing at this level, not the coaches . Does rotation make for confusion and some unsettling at such a young age? The best spell our U18s have had this year was the first 6 or 7 games where it was noticeable that they used a fairly settled team in this period with the same players playing regularly. You need a degree of rotation to find out just how good some are, but undoubtedly settled sides and settled coaches pay dividends too.
I'm with @mightymoyes re some of the places we've sent our youngsters to this season. Roberto is big on making sure youngsters he's purchased can face the rigours of English football, something he's mentioned with Leandro, Henen and Tarashaj. They seem to want to toughen our local youngsters too, and maybe Ledson and Walsh's loans to League2 will do that given they are both abrasive/competive players , but the loans to National League North and below that have occurred, Brewster, Dyson, Duffus etc don't seem to make a lot of sense in terms of developing a skill set - I just can't see them playing skilfull football that will progress them at that level. In contrast, our most successful loanee this season appears to be Conor Grant playing in League 1 at a level which is allowing him to develop his skills. Same could be said of Kenny's loan at Wigan , Pennington at Coventry last season. We can't stick them all in at League 1 level when they are only 18 but it's probably the league to aim for with a balance of right skill level and likelihood that youngsters would get regular games at that level.
 
i think it's all to do with versatility and adaptation. I mean with the way premier league clubs go aroound chopping and changing managers willy nilly, it could be viewed as a good thing for future development to be working under different coaches. Also working under different ideas, different strategies etc. You're highly unlikely to go through your whole career with things run the exact same way.

with regards to going on loan - i do think some should be going to a higher level, but i don't really have much knowledge of the lower leagues. Maybe we want certain players to play in a certain environment where they play a certain way of football. Say none of the league 1 teams who play possession football want our player, but there are teams in that division who would say yes, i.e. like lundstram highlights with yeovil, but don't play the same way as Everton - would it be better for them play at a lower standard in league 2 but at a team where they will see a lot of the ball?

Oxford today looked like a decent team possibly look at loaning too - maybe next season.
 
I'm sure we'd all like them to go to ideal places for their development, but in the end there are a limited number of places that will take a loan player in a certain position and a degree of competition between higher level clubs who have players to loan out (especially those like Spurs and Chelsea who make a business of overloading their youth ranks and then loaning them out).

I think we do fairly well at what we do and as far as I understand Joe Royle is partly there to foster relationships with target clubs (so that they will take our players on loan, for example). But I'm sure there come times when there is a compromise: do we let someone go out to a club that is less than ideal or do we keep them at U21 level where there are not that many competitive games and it anyway ends up with you playing against players who are at the same level as you, not experienced pros who know what it takes to survive in the league.
 

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