Everton Youth Teams Thread

[catcherintherye]

It was 2 of the 'best' under 12's. The guy who posted it on the City forum said City were very aggressive in their pursuit of academy players - maybe thats why they are on tge verge of a ban.

Yes I had heard that as well. This is not uncommon and has been a problem for 2 or 3 years now.

They have been reported by Liverpool for poaching their lads and said to be given a 1 and 1/2 year ban. Off the record people involved with Everton, United & Liverpool had become almost fatalistic with competing with City so it's big news for us.

If alongside this as Boris said above there is now almost a ban on poaching lads from cat 1 academies it will benefit us massively in terms of protecting us. I'd also say it was for the good of the game. While I do understand 6 years of private education for the lads involved is a huge fillip the stockpiling from City has not helped in getting young English players through.

How do you find them over on the City youth forum?

 

[Nymzee]

Can we not now offer players private education like City do? To equal standards anyway.

 

[Tin-Tin]

This is correct and its hard for a parent not to take this into account when making a decision, but I know of 2 boys who have Left Everton and the reason for both was not the schooling but the coaching standards now admittedly the age groups were 8 & 12 and as you go up the age groups the coaching might improve greatly I don't know, but it shows not all parents do it for the sole of education.

No matter how good the coaching is, the path to 1st team football is non existent at these teams (City/Chelsea and now probably Man U with Mourinho). They get to a point where they hit a brick wall and end up at some Belgian/Dutch team on loan for 2 years, only to be sold on somewhere else.

There has to be a balance between money, coaching and clear path to the 1st team.

 

[Nobby Nobbs]

the coaching cant be too bad if they just won that prestigious tournament at u13.

Yes read that and I couldn't be more pleased, but I stand by what I said, one of the boy's I know personally and have attended training session with both clubs, and from what I observed I'm afraid to say cities is far superior, the other boy, I know his father and have spoken to him several times and he seems to be of the same opinion, I'm lead to believe that there's been a revamp of the coaching structure at the lower age group with a new man in charge I can only hope that this improves the situation at the lower age group. I like to say that this has been my experience, and others may have different experiences, if I'm still around I'll revisit this thread in about 12 months Time

 

[boris]

Can we not now offer players private education like City do? To equal standards anyway.

No, we send kids to Wade Deacon school in Widnes.

City have just renewed the contractors of 18 2005/06 kids who are about to start senior school.

17 of them are going to St. Bedes school in Manchester at a cost of approx £300,000 per year and are guaranteed that schooling for 6 years even if they get let go. They have probably bigger numbers to that in every year group there as they will have signed new players and let others go during there term and virtually all will have been offered the schooling.

In most cases these kids may have been attracted in with the offer of very generous travelling expenses (compared to what they actually spend on travelling) and, parents being offered jobs as scouts, being given a coat and very good wages to do scouting. (nudge, nudge).

Then there's the compensation figures they pay for the kids they entice form other clubs.

When you add up the figures there, we're talking at least a £4 or 5 million+ investment each year in the development phase of the academy on top of what every other club also spends.

 

[boris]

Yes read that and I couldn't be more pleased, but I stand by what I said, one of the boy's I know personally and have attended training session with both clubs, and from what I observed I'm afraid to say cities is far superior, the other boy, I know his father and have spoken to him several times and he seems to be of the same opinion, I'm lead to believe that there's been a revamp of the coaching structure at the lower age group with a new man in charge I can only hope that this improves the situation at the lower age group. I like to say that this has been my experience, and others may have different experiences, if I'm still around I'll revisit this thread in about 12 months Time

The training is very different at all clubs and it's not a one size fits all method.

I personally think City's is quite poor and they build teams not individuals. They are more interested in winning at under 9's, 10s etc than any thing else and a lot of players don't develop individually or learn to think for themselves. They stay at the top and have good teams cause they keep signing the best players and if they drop off, they go and sign the best players out there to take there place.

Our training is just as good as anyone else and it's whatever floats your boat.

City build teams, do passing drills and is very regimented. Our training and Liverpool's is very similar, Liverpool focus very much on the players expressing themselves, whilst we are a bit of a mixture between Liverpool and City. I personally think United have a great approach and the build players, maybe not United players but the leagues are full of ex United kids.

Saying I want to take my son out as the coaching is not what I want is the standard excuse usually for a parent who has been tapped up by someone else.

 

[marchy]

The training is very different at all clubs and it's not a one size fits all method.

I personally think City's is quite poor and they build teams not individuals. They are more interested in winning at under 9's, 10s etc than any thing else and a lot of players don't develop individually or learn to think for themselves. They stay at the top and have good teams cause they keep signing the best players and if they drop off, they go and sign the best players out there to take there place.

Our training is just as good as anyone else and it's whatever floats your boat.

City build teams, do passing drills and is very regimented. Our training and Liverpool's is very similar, Liverpool focus very much on the players expressing themselves, whilst we are a bit of a mixture between Liverpool and City. I personally think United have a great approach and the build players, maybe not United players but the leagues are full of ex United kids.

Excellent post.

I read an article recently talking about one of the main problems with youth coaches is that they are more interested in their CV and promoting themselves by producing winning teams than trying to improve individual players. It does seem that Everton put a big focus on trying to get as many players through the system and into professional football, whether that is with us or at a lower level.

I coach an under 8s side in Dublin and finding a balance between player improvement and making sure we are competative in every game is a challenge. At a young age developing and improving the key skills like passing, control and dribbling is crucial as is trying to imrpvoe game awareness and decision maing. However as much as it's easy to say results don't matter, we don't record scores until under 12s, the kids are aware of the result and if you get beat every week it can be disheartening for them.

It's interesting to see the challenges top flight clubs face with poaching, its certainly something that happens in our youth league, the spread of players is much wider at a young age but as you progress to higher ages you can see the "big" clubs pull away dramatically as they stock pile the best players from the local area (and wider in some cases).

 

[Nobby Nobbs]

No matter how good the coaching is, the path to 1st team football is non existent at these teams (City/Chelsea and now probably Man U with Mourinho). They get to a point where they hit a brick wall and end up at some Belgian/Dutch team on loan for 2 years, only to be sold on somewhere else.

There has to be a balance between money, coaching and clear path to the 1st team.

Couldn't agree more with that, and although the aim for all kids is the 1st team all sensible parents know this is an almost impossible dream for the vast majority of the kids at these academics, but the right coaching from an early age can put a boy on the right path to a career in football be it championship level or league 1 level where they can have a good career and earn a good living. City have spent untold millions on their academy, and there's no doubt in my mind that they haven't spent that money just to ignore local talent and just to keep on spending millions opon millions on players, they have to make that academy work, otherwise there was no reason to build it it in the first place, all clubs want their academies to work by finding talent nurturing and developing it and if that player does not make the 1st team he is sold and the money reinvested into the academy to make it self sufficient. That's how all academies work

 

[Eggs]

Can we not now offer players private education like City do? To equal standards anyway.

..Matthew Pennington is a shining example. Unlike most young professionals, he wanted to continue his education to A Level and the club supported that quest. I think he got As in Physics and Mathematics. A very bright young man and good on him.

 

[marchy]

Couldn't agree more with that, and although the aim for all kids is the 1st team all sensible parents know this is an almost impossible dream for the vast majority of the kids at these academics, but the right coaching from an early age can put a boy on the right path to a career in football be it championship level or league 1 level where they can have a good career and earn a good living. City have spent untold millions on their academy, and there's no doubt in my mind that they haven't spent that money just to ignore local talent and just to keep on spending millions opon millions on players, they have to make that academy work, otherwise there was no reason to build it it in the first place, all clubs want their academies to work by finding talent nurturing and developing it and if that player does not make the 1st team he is sold and the money reinvested into the academy to make it self sufficient. That's how all academies work

Thats a key point, lower league sides are much more likely to go to the top clubs in the Premier league looking for young talent to take on loan or even snap up at the end of their contract. Conversly it seems that the better path to top flight football for young players at the moment may be to stay with a league 1 or Championship club and progress to first team football with them before a move to the Premier League. There is no easy root, as a parent your responsibility is to make sure your child has the best chance to succeed in or out of the game. If City offer private schooling guarenteed then this is a huge factor and a massive plus rgeradless of the quality of football coaching.

 

[marchy]

..Matthew Pennington is a shining example. Unlike most young professionals, he wanted to continue his education to A Level and the club supported that quest. I think he got As in Physics and Mathematics. A very bright young man and good on him.

I think the rules are that you have to offer that opportunity to every young player on your books (and potentially even if they are dropped before 16), thats a massive outlay.

 

[mightymoyes]

..Matthew Pennington is a shining example. Unlike most young professionals, he wanted to continue his education to A Level and the club supported that quest. I think he got As in Physics and Mathematics. A very bright young man and good on him.

the amount of spare time players have it amazes me that parents dont encourage them more to get some qualifications too.
callum connolly as well, missed the u17 euros to do his exams i think.

 

[Eggs]

the amount of spare time players have it amazes me that parents dont encourage them more to get some qualifications too.
callum connolly as well, missed the u17 euros to do his exams i think.

..those young lads will be on at least £2k per week and many will have neglected studies in the hope of being professionals. In olden days, young professionals could be found in the pub or betting shops, not many will have the dedication to continue studies.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Congrats to those involved, hopefully add the U23 title to the list of silverware.

 

[maccavennie]

Congrats to those involved, hopefully add the U23 title to the list of silverware.

we are in the business of just swatting everyone aside which is great news


Just need the first team to follow suit now LL!