Everton Youth Teams Thread

[The Rhino]

4 players around 20/21 in the whole squad is not too many young players. quite the opposite, koeman came in to a squad that was far too old overall.
he played howard, baines, jagielka, barry, naismith, osman etc, hardly lacking experience.
you're way off saying martinez played too much young players.

It's not a case of young players in the squad but it's well known we had no players in their prime under Martinez. It was a starting 11 of a mix of either inconsistent youth (Ross, Del, Stones, Galloway, Besic) or over the hill players (Howard, Distin, and Baines to a certain extent)

My point is you look at the top players and the vast majority are in their prime. The best teams often have players by large in their prime. It's fine having 1/2 talented young lads in the side and the odd older head but you need that 25-29 age bracket to be the predominate feature in the side imo.

Our 3 best players this season outside of Lukaku have been Gana, Coleman and Schnerderlin since his arrival, all three in their prime.

 

[Zatara]

It's not a case of young players in the squad but it's well known we had no players in their prime under Martinez. It was a starting 11 of a mix of either inconsistent youth (Ross, Del, Stones, Galloway, Besic) or over the hill players (Howard, Distin, and Baines to a certain extent)

My point is you look at the top players and the vast majority are in their prime. The best teams often have players by large in their prime. It's fine having 1/2 talented young lads in the side and the odd older head but you need that 25-29 age bracket to be the predominate feature in the side imo.

Our 3 best players this season outside of Lukaku have been Gana, Coleman and Schnerderlin since his arrival, all three in their prime.

So rather than signing or bringing through young players which is the soul of the squad you would prefer that we;

A -- Spend loads of money on superstars across the pitch *We aren't Man City
B -- Find new Kante level players for cheap prices *Everyone is trying to do this

You cant fill an entire squad of 26+ year old players as they wont all play and morale will drop + the quality will be lower due to the wages on offer

Every club in the world strives to bring through young players to grow into the squad to save them money and to improve the squad depth at a bare minimum.

"TOP PLAYERS ARE IN THEIR PRIMCE"

Thanks for enlightening the forum with this nugget

 

[Zatara]

Left Back Connolly Left Forward Dowell??

I somehow forgot Connolly, but I'm not sure on dowell as koeman seems to want a different type of player.

Perhaps dowell should go on loan?

 

[Zatara]

Is Lookman more right-sided? Had it in my head he was more of a left-sided player? If so him there, then Dowell on the right would fill out the 11 nicely, along with Connolly.

I don't think dowell seems to fit what koeman wants and it was interesting that unsworth didn't mention him as a player close to the first team

As for lookman I think he can play either side...

 

[BornBlue76]

I think it's more that they are ours, moreso than age. We'd like to see as many actual Evertonians playing for Everton as possible while still maintaining high standards.

It's actually a good question. Why the fascination? For me it's pride. Everton is in our blood as much as family. Seeing the kids grow and succeed almost feels like it's "our" kids growing and succeeding.

The pride I get from seeing our own boys develop into winners hopefully one day win in the Everton first team is far greater than throwing money at the worlds best paid footballers and winning it all. Although a combination of both would be nice!

 

[Billy Dean]

Alex Denny named in the England squad for the U17 Euros:

http://www.thefa.com/home/news/2017...u17s-championship-finals-steve-cooper-280417/

"England have an excellent recent record in the U17 Euros, winning the tournament in 2010 and 2014.

Squad

Goalkeepers: Curtis Anderson (Manchester City), Josef Bursik (AFC Wimbledon)

Defenders: Timothy Eyoma (Tottenham Hotspur), Lewis Gibson (Newcastle United), Marc Guéhi (Chelsea), Jonathan Panzo (Chelsea), Jake Vokins (Southampton)

Midfielders: Aidan Barlow (Manchester United), Alexander Denny (Everton), Angel Gomes (Manchester United), George McEachran (Chelsea), Tashan Oakley-Boothe (Tottenham Hotspur)

Forwards: Rhian Brewster (Liverpool), Philip Foden (Manchester City), Callum Hudson-Odoi (Chelsea), Daniel Loader (Reading), Jadon Sancho (Manchester City), Emile Smith-Rowe (Arsenal)."

 

[The Rhino]

So rather than signing or bringing through young players which is the soul of the squad you would prefer that we;

A -- Spend loads of money on superstars across the pitch *We aren't Man City
B -- Find new Kante level players for cheap prices *Everyone is trying to do this

You cant fill an entire squad of 26+ year old players as they wont all play and morale will drop + the quality will be lower due to the wages on offer

Every club in the world strives to bring through young players to grow into the squad to save them money and to improve the squad depth at a bare minimum.

"TOP PLAYERS ARE IN THEIR PRIMCE"

Thanks for enlightening the forum with this nugget

Spurs have a near minus net spend over the past few seasons yet their starting 11 has largely quality players in the prime of their careers with the odd young talent in. It's a fallacy that you need Man City money to achieve that. Let's look at the cost of players I mentioned earlier:

Alderweirld: £11 million
Tadic: £11 million
VVD: £12 million
Payet: £11.5 million
Wanayama: £11 million

I just think you see teams like Dortmund, Barcelona B and the like and think if we stock load the side with talented youngsters we'll blow teams away with dazzling football and it simply doesn't work like that especially in English football.

 

[Ring master]

2nd bottom Everton u18s return to 2nd tier League action today on a run of 3 defeats in a row from 4 games played,after a 4 week league break due to games in america, and last weeks game at spurs called off due to the sad passing of Ugo Ehiogu,they are away to stoke with an 11am kick off,team and scores as always later

 

[blueloon]

Alex Denny named in the England squad for the U17 Euros:

http://www.thefa.com/home/news/2017...u17s-championship-finals-steve-cooper-280417/

"England have an excellent recent record in the U17 Euros, winning the tournament in 2010 and 2014.

Squad

Goalkeepers: Curtis Anderson (Manchester City), Josef Bursik (AFC Wimbledon)

Defenders: Timothy Eyoma (Tottenham Hotspur), Lewis Gibson (Newcastle United), Marc Guéhi (Chelsea), Jonathan Panzo (Chelsea), Jake Vokins (Southampton)

Midfielders: Aidan Barlow (Manchester United), Alexander Denny (Everton), Angel Gomes (Manchester United), George McEachran (Chelsea), Tashan Oakley-Boothe (Tottenham Hotspur)

Forwards: Rhian Brewster (Liverpool), Philip Foden (Manchester City), Callum Hudson-Odoi (Chelsea), Daniel Loader (Reading), Jadon Sancho (Manchester City), Emile Smith-Rowe (Arsenal)."

Denny and the injured Fraser Hornby appear to be the two showing most potential from this year's 1st year Scholars, few others are, as reflected by the team's poor showing this season. The lack of quality has been well signposted in advance by others on here , and maybe a stutter is to be expected after the rich harvest coming through in recent years - it's certainly a few years since none of the new scholars have made even one u21/23 appearance as is the case this season. With 5 or 6 schoolboys featuring in the u18s this season maybe next season will be better.

 

[Zatara]

Spurs have a near minus net spend over the past few seasons yet their starting 11 has largely quality players in the prime of their careers with the odd young talent in. It's a fallacy that you need Man City money to achieve that. Let's look at the cost of players I mentioned earlier:

Alderweirld: £11 million
Tadic: £11 million
VVD: £12 million
Payet: £11.5 million
Wanayama: £11 million

I just think you see teams like Dortmund, Barcelona B and the like and think if we stock load the side with talented youngsters we'll blow teams away with dazzling football and it simply doesn't work like that especially in English football.

I didn't mention Barcelona B, I used Dortmund and Monaco as examples.

Do you think Bernardo Silva at Monaco is good? He's 22 and I said on here we should sign him 2 years ago....he's far superior to any of the players you've given as examples. I also said we should sign wanyama and vvd when they were at celtic and still young players....

The players you've given now as examples are cherry picked...for all of the signings Wham and Spurs have made, they've also bought plenty of flops.

Look at the Bale money, they've used that to buy players....almost all were flops and then they've sold and re-invested....4 of their top stars, Kane, Alli, Rose and Walker were playing as kids...

So, Spurs had a massive windfall....failed in recruitment...then played around half a team of kids....added quality around them and lo and behold here they are.....but still making signings like sissoko.

Southampton....windfall from selling young players...promote young players again....add quality around them....

Guess what Man City are currently doing? Signed Stones, Jesus and Sane...young players....

Its important to have a long term core of young players in the team and the squad...breeds consistency and a culture.

We need to keep bringing through our young players from u23s.....adding more players to that group to create a conveyor belt. Then when guys like Barkley, Holgate and Davies are in the first 11 sign star players around them.

 

[Billy Dean]

Denny and the injured Fraser Hornby appear to be the two showing most potential from this year's 1st year Scholars, few others are, as reflected by the team's poor showing this season. The lack of quality has been well signposted in advance by others on here , and maybe a stutter is to be expected after the rich harvest coming through in recent years - it's certainly a few years since none of the new scholars have made even one u21/23 appearance as is the case this season. With 5 or 6 schoolboys featuring in the u18s this season maybe next season will be better.

Yeah there will always be cycles at all clubs. But as you say with Denny and Hornby even this group might produce a first teamer. I guess because this years U23s has been so good it's been harder than usual for younger lads to get a chance

 

[Zatara]

Denny and the injured Fraser Hornby appear to be the two showing most potential from this year's 1st year Scholars, few others are, as reflected by the team's poor showing this season. The lack of quality has been well signposted in advance by others on here , and maybe a stutter is to be expected after the rich harvest coming through in recent years - it's certainly a few years since none of the new scholars have made even one u21/23 appearance as is the case this season. With 5 or 6 schoolboys featuring in the u18s this season maybe next season will be better.

Do you think Hornby and Denny will join Feeney and slot into the u23s next season?

I would imagine a few of those In the u23s will want to use the coverage of their title win to move on and get contracts at other clubs so their could be a bit of upheaval.

 

[Paulie]

I somehow forgot Connolly, but I'm not sure on dowell as koeman seems to want a different type of player.

Perhaps dowell should go on loan?

He's never impressed me when I've watched him. No urgency, slow and misplaces a lot of passes. Scores some great goals though.

 

[Zatara]

He's never impressed me when I've watched him. No urgency, slow and misplaces a lot of passes. Scores some great goals though.

I just remember him doing fine end of last season (as did Kenny and Davies) plus hes in the England youth squads all the time.

Next season I think will be the defining moment for a lot of our u23s. I can see some making the 1st team squad and staying....others asking for moves and some being loaned out first then sold on.

Additionally I think unsworth is nobodies fool and will want to win again next season so will look to work with walsh and sign some more stars at that level.

 

[Saint Domingo]

We've not had a half decent striker coming through since the Vaughan/Anichebe years. We seem to churn out good midfielders and full backs but struggle to get any decent strikers. Anyone know of any coming through that might make it to prem standard? Imagine a Rooney coming through into this team now, we'd be in top 4 most seasons.