davids
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F1 has been boring for decades. One team will dominate for more or less half a dozen seasons,then another will take over and win until the next rule change.
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Fair do. My immediate instinct was what's he doing there but I'm far from savvy when it comes to racing (or much else) so figured there was more to it than I could see.
The reaction to avoid the crash then correcting to avoid hitting the wall is something else. When you see all the criticism of drivers in F1 and below and how they're supposedly crap at their job it's a stark reminder of how stupidly different to us mere mortals they actually are. Absolute freaks.
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Talent pool in F1 is so dead it's hilarious. I really am at the point where the entirety of motorsport can do one such is the absolute joke standard of drivers that compete in it. Talentless youtubers getting seats in GT series, talentless rich old men buying seats in series all around the world and drivers who had worse junior careers than Nikita Mazepin still somehow landing Red Bull seats after numerous god awful performances for them.
Outside of the engineering and business... F1 is not a sport to be taken seriously.
Outside of the engineering and business... F1 is not a sport to be taken seriously.
Perez signs 2 year extension at RB
www.skysports.com
Now the Domino's start to fall.
Sainz to Williams imo
Sergio Perez: Red Bull driver extends contract to end of 2026 F1 season with new two-year term
Red Bull extend Sergio Perezs deal at the team for the 2025 and 2026 Formula 1 seasons; watch the Canadian GP this weekend, with every session live on Sky Sports F1
Now the Domino's start to fall.
Sainz to Williams imo
So RB are a one car team.Perez signs 2 year extension at RB
Sergio Perez: Red Bull driver extends contract to end of 2026 F1 season with new two-year term
Red Bull extend Sergio Perezs deal at the team for the 2025 and 2026 Formula 1 seasons; watch the Canadian GP this weekend, with every session live on Sky Sports F1
Now the Domino's start to fall.
Sainz to Williams imo
That fella is not a racing driver except where he writes 'racing driver' on his resume.
Waste of a seat in a leading car.
Doing what they can to keep Max happy after the debacle earlier this season
Yeah, seems like his best bet. Gives them a very good line up for next year, and if Vowles can get them going in the right direction could make Williams at decent midfield team again next yearPerez signs 2 year extension at RB
Sergio Perez: Red Bull driver extends contract to end of 2026 F1 season with new two-year term
Red Bull extend Sergio Perezs deal at the team for the 2025 and 2026 Formula 1 seasons; watch the Canadian GP this weekend, with every session live on Sky Sports F1
Now the Domino's start to fall.
Sainz to Williams imo
Bit harsh. Proved many times before RB he is a very good driver, and has had some great performances for them at times (Max owes his first WDC to him as much as Masi for his defensive drive against Hamilton). He may have badly underperformed for much of his time the last couple seasons, and tbh I do see him as doing much better than Gasly or Albon did, but he's certainly no Stroll, Latifi, Sargeant or Mazepin!
Agreed on his pre-RB record, it could by the scale of the job just overwhelms him. He's definitely playing cuckold games with his teammate.
In theory they have the exact same car, I've never seen him elbows out with Verstappen for a succession of corners, let alone laps.
Yeah, he's never consistently been able to challenge Max, only for a few races here or there, and seems to have got worse over the last couple of years. I think in WCC terms they would have been much better off going for a Sainz, but if the field is going to continue to get closer next season then Max might have a battle on his hands for the WDC, in which case keeping Perez and being a 1 driver team is much better for his chances, as you know Sergio is not going to be taking points off of him.
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He really hasn’t.
People have a habit of drastically overrating average drivers in F1 based on a few decent results in mid tier teams.
He is multiple levels below top drivers as evidenced by time at Red Bull. The variation in talent between drivers in motorsport even at the very top can be huge because of how small the talent pool is due to the costs involved.
He finished 12th in his debut season in GP2, that is nowhere near the level that F1 drivers should be at. Without Carlos Slim backing him he would not have got anywhere near the sport based on talent alone.
Too much value is placed on him beating Lance Stroll. As soon as he got a top team mate he’s showed his level.
Look at Bottas, he is a level or two below the elite but he was able to perform at a far more consistent rate than Perez.
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Beat his teammate in the WDC every season from 2015-2020. 4th in the championship (behind the Mercs and Max) and won a race in the Racing Point that last year. Renowned amongst the grid/sport for his ability to extend the life of his tyres and still be quick. Controversially dropped in favour of Stroll when Stroll Snr took over the team. He might be 2/3 levels below Max/Lewis/Nando etc, but he is still a very good driver on his day.
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That 4th in the championship was not impressive though. Both him and Bottas got absolutely shown up in 2021, that season really showed the difference in levels between Hamilton and Verstappen relative to their teammates. Also whilst he did a good job holding Hamilton up for a few laps in the final race the fact is that if he had driven better in the previous 20 odd races then Max would have already been champion. I found it funny when he started going on about how Max should thank him and how Max won the title because of him... Given how Max's brain works I'm pretty sure he found that comment a bit rich as well.
He has had the odd impressive drive at Red Bull such as Jeddah last season but 'his day' happens maybe once or twice a season at most, for two seasons now he has regularly performed below the level of his car.
Maybe he gets a confidence boost from this two year extension but the last time he signed an extension his performance levels dropped massively
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RP were 4th in the WCC that year, behind Merc, RB and Mclaren. He was 4th in the WDC, and scored 125 of his teams 195 points (a greater percentage than Vettel managed when he replaced him the year after). Beat an RB, both Mclarens, both Ferraris. If you don't think that, or anything he did before that is impressive then clearly you just don't like him. Comparing most drivers on the grid to a Hamilton or Verstappen is unfair, they are going to go down as two of the all time greats, so it's a pointless comparison and completely meaningless in this discussion.
Also in 2021 he only scored 36 points less than Bottas. The difference on the WDC if he'd driven a bit better compared to what happened in the last race (14 point swing due to him/Masi) would have less effect imo. He also may have cost Max points as well.
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Sorry I thought you were referencing the 2021 season, not 2020, my bad.
Finishing 4th in a RP looks great on the CV but whilst he did finish ahead of a RB, McLarens and Ferrari's... did it turn out to be evidence of him being a top driver ? Not really. It's so hard to build an accurate judgment of a driver from results like that, he finished ahead of leclerc, sainz, norris etc but he's since been shown to not be on the level of those drivers. As always your teammate is the true benchmark of talent and he's had two top drivers for team mates (Button and Verstappen) and they both comfortably outperformed him, with Max basically destroying the reputation Perez had built from the 2020 season.
It's not like he's just losing to Max each race weekend, he's regularly getting outperformed by people in clearly inferior machinery to him.
Ultimately 2020 made him look better than he was, the cold harsh reality of how big a gap there is in talent between him and top drivers is clear to see now IMO.
All opinions though of course, I am more critical than most when it comes to judging F1 drivers, but it's out of frustration at how large the difference in talent is between many of them, the top tier of motorsport should not be like that.
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