Where does the "start" of the season end?
We have taken two points......two points.....from the last nine on offer.
And let's be honest, but for an eagle eyed linesman spotting a Palace player flexing his neck muscles and two City players missing penalties, it would have been nul points from nine.
And in none of those three games did we play well.
The way I see it, we are almost quarter way through the season and at the moment we are failing to capitalise on what was an excellent start to it.
And have dropped down the table accordingly.