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Farhad Moshiri

7+ Years On... Your Verdict On Farhad Moshiri

  • Pleased

    Votes: 111 7.9%
  • Disappointed

    Votes: 1,295 92.1%

  • Total voters
    1,406
I think that we look at things a bit differently. I agree that Bolton is an extreme example but there are other examples when this model has resulted in operational stress for a football club. In terms of risk, I meant for the club (and by extension us - the fans) not for Moshiri. If Mr Moshiri decides he wants out, then there will be no shortage of takers and will recoup most or all of his investment or will profit from any sale in the current premier league climate. On the other hand, if Mr Moshiri decides he doesn't want to invest further in the club but wants to continue to receive a dividend and an above inflationary interest payment on the loans he holds then he can sit on the club, dictate the terms of those loans and run it at arms length (like Mike Ashley tried to do) this would leave us in a weird kind of limbo with no means of exiting it. I am not saying this is what he is going to do but I am cautious because of the way things have developed so far (i.e. being told the debt was paid off when it in fact was transferred to a different vehicle; being told we were going to have a blockbuster summer when we signed the same sort of players we have always signed after selling one of our most saleable assets; being drip fed info about a new stadium without any formal declarations of intent).

I admire your optimism, and hope it is ultimately justified, I'm just not sure where the evidence is to support it at the moment.

We do look at things differently for sure :)

I do see Moshiri (due to what I know of him) as the solution to problems created by the past rather than a potential problem in the future. I've just written something short for the front page which contrasts briefly the position we would be in without Moshiri as against now.

Yes there's an argument that we are in fact now beholden to an individual with no real connection to the club, but his actions in the first 9 months don't suggest that to me - as I say the reverse.
 
There are few things more relaxing and amusing than sitting back watching people becoming increasingly obsessed with how they can free load off the back of someone rich whilst finding every excuse to mistrust and dislike them. Oh happy days.
This is a very confusing statement. Who is freeloading off of whom? Mr Moshiri is very wealthy but, as of yet, aside from the capital used to buy the club, which is now a saleable asset that he owns, hasn't invested anything of note. The players signed, manager and staff recruitment, increased wage bill etc.. all fall comfortably within the income the club generated through the new TV deal and the sale of John Stones. That may change in January, we'll have to wait and see, but even that will be set against future income and that comes from us, the supporters, either directly (tickets, merch) or indirectly (TV, sponsorship). There is no suggestion that we will enter into a period of Chelsea/Man City style spending even from the most optimistic supporters of our current administration.
 
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We do look at things differently for sure :)

I do see Moshiri (due to what I know of him) as the solution to problems created by the past rather than a potential problem in the future. I've just written something short for the front page which contrasts briefly the position we would be in without Moshiri as against now.

Yes there's an argument that we are in fact now beholden to an individual with no real connection to the club, but his actions in the first 9 months don't suggest that to me - as I say the reverse.
As I said in my earlier post I hope that you are right. I don't really believe in the benefactor model and I am sure Mr Moshiri is here to make a profit (I am not criticising that position btw). The most profitable way to do that is to make us a sporting powerhouse on and off the pitch but that is hard to do. As a consequence, I can see a period in the future where an owner loses patience with the "project" and estimates that mid-table finishes will result in a decent return. That is what worries me as it often goes awry, just ask any Villa fan (don't tell Damo I brought them up!). I will change my mind, of course, when we sign a clutch of world-class players, our dockside mega-stadium starts flying up and we make the champions league! :cool:
 

Good article mate. Much of the arguments against Moshiri seemed to be based upon 2 things, 1) he hasn't gone far enough and 2) a fatalistic assumption that all is not what it appears (in a negative sense). I think one point is reasonable, and one is a little harsh.

What the injection of Cash into the club (and a pretty serious injection of Cash, even by the crazy world of football) shows is yet another example of the simplicity of Moshiri's methods in trying to get the right foundations. He identified 3 areas when he arrived, commercial revenues, manager and long term debt holding the club back.

We have changed manager and while he may not be everyone's cup of tea most would accept it was an ambitious choice. There is movement on the ground and growing our marketing streams (though the latter will take time) and he has now wiped the debt out. It has been simple and efficient work by him. In some ways I think that's what people hold against him, that there isn't a huge drama about all of it, but he is rightly looking to avoid that. There may not be the razzamataz yet in the wider media but the club is in as strong a position as it has been for 20 years.

I go back to the original two criticisms and am happy to engage with people who can put different perspectives I may not have seen. I can understand the first point. He's not as wealthy as the Sheikhs (though I would say far more wealthy than is widely reported figure). We are not blowing sides out of the water like they did. It is a lot harder to do mind, football is far more awash with money. However I can understand why people may see that as excuse. There will always be someone richer. I'm a glass full kind of person and see we are in far better shape than before, but as yet we are not as wealthy as Manchester City or PSG and it's questionable whether we will be.

The second point though does need answering. Kenwright pulled the wool over people's eyes and in the confusion that followed it was often used at best to meander through without any plan and at worst to sell off our best players and plead helplessness. There is a healthy cynicism from Evertonians, but no businessman would knowingly run a club Kenwright did. Not everything has a hidden motive. Kenwright was running the club into the ground, it made no sense to stay other than love and loyalty. I don't think either of these things are central to Moshiri's motivations and I think overall that's for the best. Where we had confusion, discord and inaction, we now have clarity, action and finance.

Anyway good article. We are now far more in control of our destiny and not operating on the basis of one sold player to the next. In the end that's all you can ask for, give those who work for the club the environment to succeed. The nature of the debt we had prevented this, it's gone now and that's a major victory.
 

Moshiri, whats all this BS about FFP?, what you get banned from europe for a little?, who gives a ****, just spunk cash all over the dressing room and clear out the dross, flip the finger at UEFA the premier League, Sky, BT and NUT any other **** and win some effing games else get to ****.
 
Moshiri, whats all this BS about FFP?, what you get banned from europe for a little?, who gives a ****, just spunk cash all over the dressing room and clear out the dross, flip the finger at UEFA the premier League, Sky, BT and NUT any other **** and win some effing games else get to ****.
Good, clear, sensible thinking.
I like it.
 

Hasn't been here long, needs to make his mark, get rid of some of the no marks on the board.
Hope when he gets full control he retires the jinx and suntan , we will never have a big club mentally with those two about.
And in fairness the jinx can just go and support the club as a fan less pressure in old age, he might get to see us win something.
 
We do look at things differently for sure :)

I do see Moshiri (due to what I know of him) as the solution to problems created by the past rather than a potential problem in the future. I've just written something short for the front page which contrasts briefly the position we would be in without Moshiri as against now.

Yes there's an argument that we are in fact now beholden to an individual with no real connection to the club, but his actions in the first 9 months don't suggest that to me - as I say the reverse.

What do you think his plans are in regards to getting the club to a point where it can actually compete for champions league place? As it seems like a massive challenge currently, and the issue I can see is that to get players of real quality, then we'll need to either be competitive at the higher end of the table, or look like we are going to be, and with this current squad I don't think we're anywhere near that. I'm only asking as my knowledge of growing a club is limited to football manager, which isn't massively realistic, but I do worry about our ability to attract quality players after the summer
 

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