Farhad Moshiri

[davek]

For the gazillionth time, the fortunes to be made will not be from selling Everton. It will be from the(ir) involvement in the wider docks development.

My take on it anyrate, cos IF he saddles us with a debt you seem to know all about, not a chance any one would stump up cash to buy us anyrate.

What involvement with the wider docks? I haven't heard about this beyond renting a floor or two at the Liver Buildings.

And why wouldn't a new owner come in and buy up Moshiri's shares? The deal is that they wouldn't be paying anything, the club would. It wouldn't be any new owners personal debt. They'd just do what Moshiri will do and sell on themselves at an appropriate future date.

 

[roydo]

What involvement with the wider docks? I haven't heard about this beyond renting a floor or two at the Liver Buildings.

And why wouldn't a new owner come in and buy up Moshiri's shares? The deal is that they wouldn't be paying anything, the club would. It wouldn't be any new owners personal debt. They'd just do what Moshiri will do and sell on themselves at an appropriate future date.

Its my take only, as in I dont know anything, but I have said from day one ,pretty much, that the ground build is the stimulus/bookend for Liverpool Waters. The profit to be made from them involved in that will be staggering in compariism to selling a football club.

Joe knows it, Moshiri knows it, and I am pretty sure his mate has a few toes in the water, so to speak.

 

[davek]

Its my take only, as in I dont know anything, but I have said from day one ,pretty much, that the ground build is the stimulus/bookend for Liverpool Waters. The profit to be made from them involved in that will be staggering in compariism to selling a football club.

Joe knows it, Moshiri knows it, and I am pretty sure his mate has a few toes in the water, so to speak.

I'm sure there will be commercial opportunities opened up by us going there. I'm not seeing the obvious connection between that and Moshiri making cash from it all though.

I see only a man determined to make a club borrow a lot of money and his stake in a football club being massively boosted in any sale that includes us in a dockland stadium on that waterfront. I'm not blaming him, btw. It's entirely logical and in-keeping for a man who's made his name and cash making money from money.

 

[roydo]

I'm not seeing the obvious connection between that and Moshiri making cash from it all though.

Really? Plain as the nose on my face to me. Not him in isolation, y'know, his mate in the wings.

Time line.

AU buys FM out of their Arsenal thing to.

Buy Everton.

Who are in need of a new ground.

In a city that needs some docks developed.

(And an ace football ground at one end will help. A lot)

Which will be very profitable for developers. (At this point AU "likes" this post and buys FM a pint)

And great for Liverpool. (At this point Joe does the same)

Might be miles off mind.
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[davek]

Really? Plain as the nose on my face to me. Not him in isolation, y'know, his mate in the wings.

Time line.

AU buys FM out of their Arsenal thing to.

Buy Everton.

Who are in need of a new ground.

In a city that needs some docks developed.

(And an ace football ground at one end will help. A lot)

Which will be very profitable for developers. (At this point AU "likes" this post and buys FM a pint)

And great for Liverpool. (At this point Joe does the same)

Might be miles off mind.
.

I'd be slaughtered if I projected like that.

 

[roydo]

I'd be slaughtered if I projected like that.

Why? It actually makes sense, and I have seen it happen around the globe for 30 years.

 

[The binman chronicles]

What involvement with the wider docks? I haven't heard about this beyond renting a floor or two at the Liver Buildings.

And why wouldn't a new owner come in and buy up Moshiri's shares? The deal is that they wouldn't be paying anything, the club would. It wouldn't be any new owners personal debt. They'd just do what Moshiri will do and sell on themselves at an appropriate future date.

You can only leverage so much from a club, why would the banks loan prospective owners hundreds of millions if the club already owe as much as you fear and have given out first dibs on tv/ticket money. It won't happen, Moshiri will know this and why he will seek value and long term stability.

 

[PeregrineT]

I see two fundamental things happening here at Everton:

1/ a club on the pitch that's imploded - and after having spent £300M.
2/ a club off the pitch that is being prepared like a fatted calf to have £600M shoved down its gullet in order that someone can feast off its eventual sale.

Incredibly, I'm more concerned about how we are as a club now than when Kenwright was in control of our fortunes. We look like a basket case in terms of overall governance.

That cant be true Davek, because now you are saying we spent nearly 300m, and yet some incredibly wise all knowing sage said just this past summer that Moshiri was a fraud who wouldnt spend any money. And as wise as you are you arent quite as wise as that other wise guy.

 

[davek]

Why? It actually makes sense, and I have seen it happen around the globe for 30 years.

It makes sense. Whether it will happen that way is a guess though.

In terms of explaining motives for involvement I'd stick with the more prosaic one of Moshiri the football club owner seeking to load debt onto a club in order to build a stadium and make a profit from his shares.

 

[davek]

That cant be true Davek, because now you are saying we spent nearly 300m, and yet some incredibly wise all knowing sage said just this past summer that Moshiri was a fraud who wouldnt spend any money. And as wise as you are you arent quite as wise as that other wise guy.

That £300M is from player sales + tv cash (£50M more per annum than when he arrived here).

 

[GwladysBlue]

That £300M is from player sales + tv cash (£50M more per annum than when he arrived here).

We’ve outspent anyone other than Man Utd and Man City. Also, why wouldn’t we use the TV money? That’s what it’s there for.

 

[Baines' left foot]

For all Moshiri’s faults I think we’d be in a worse position if he hadn’t taken us over. We’d be getting outspent by the whole league.

 

[roydo]

It makes sense. Whether it will happen that way is a guess though.

In terms of explaining motives for involvement I'd stick with the more prosaic one of Moshiri the football club owner seeking to load debt onto a club in order to build a stadium and make a profit from his shares.

Call it an educated guess Dave.

Oh, and loading debt onto anything that cant repay it wont be bought by anyone. Other than debt chasers.

 

[bluestevon]

That £300M is from player sales + tv cash (£50M more per annum than when he arrived here).

Heres the thing though Dave, IF his ambition was just milking the club, then he'd be spending just what is required to stay afloat in the league

Like him or not, he hasn't done that by a long shot, or to put a perspective on it, Say West Ham sold a player for 75-90m - you reckon we'd see them spunking 150+ m on players in that season, not a chance in hell they would do. Same goes for Newcastle and the other clubs where the owners have shown that without doubt they are after lining their pockets first and foremost.

Moshiri could be here for 6-7 years and then move on after making a good profit after the stadium is built etc mate, but thats 6-7 years of having to put up with fans moaning in every media outlet that gives them a voice, on every social media platform, having to fend off questions from the media and negative articles, all for the sake of a few hundred million (lets call it 500m at a stretch) in profit after those seven years.

He made that much and more by buying up shares in Facebook early doors and then offloading them when they went through the roof about 4 years later, and all he had to do was sit there watching the price rise until the correct time to cash in and make the profit.

No hassle, no exposure, little risk as he knew the field, and easy money, why on earth would he go into this club to make a similar profit which will be the hardest grindiest profit he's ever made in his life, and having to deal with the utter mess the club is and all the problems that come from that? and even at the end of it, if he does cut and run he will be lumped in with chancers like Ashley and the dildo brothers, wreck his reputation, all for a profit he can and has made with little fuss in the past.

Really doesn't make any sense mate, this is for him a vanity project, IF he has the actual money to succeed and does he have the backing of Usmanov will determine that success, combined with if he is learning from his mistakes before it's too late for him and us (which are joined for now)

 

[Goat]

That £300M is from player sales + tv cash (£50M more per annum than when he arrived here).

Fake news.

Some of it is from player sales, some of it is from the TV deal, but we have sacked 2 managers and appointed another 2, your mate Clownface rinsed the club for 15m on his own, trust me, the sales and the TV deal dont stretch as far as you think.

Since hes arrived we are the top 3 spenders in the league, NET AND GROSS.

The debts have been paid
Land bought for the stadium

But its not enough for Dave, 59, from wigan, he wants MORE!!!!

Theres actually not a lot more he can give.