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Farhad Moshiri

7+ Years On... Your Verdict On Farhad Moshiri

  • Pleased

    Votes: 111 7.9%
  • Disappointed

    Votes: 1,295 92.1%

  • Total voters
    1,406
Unfortunately he'll go down as another Randy Lerner / Ellis Short - someone who meant well initally putting money into the club however made baffling off the field decision making in terms of manager/DOF appointments and failed to take the club forward.

Meanwhile clubs like Wolves who have owners who seemingly know what they are doing have overtaken us in less than half a season despite spending much less.

Money isnt everything if you appoint the wrong people to spend it and subsequently manage the assets (players).

Money isn't everything, says the guy who wants us to pay off a 4th manager and spend a suicidal amount to bring in one of the greatest players of this generation or a guy with less of a trophy history than the current incubent in as a replacement
 
Liverpool had Suarez and Sterling poached by richer clubs, they improved... Then they lost Coutinho, and spent the money on their defence and now are gonna win the league...

They're gonna win the league, not because their the richest, but because they recruited brilliantly... Salah was not expensive, firmino and mane were not expensive... Robertson was a steal...

Spurs have built their team on no money, unfortunately the timing of their new stadium has cost them winning the league this season (another slice of luck for Liverpool) as they had no money last summer to strengthen their squad...

We need a bit of luck finding 2 top young players before the big clubs get them first (particularly a striker)...and we need to start finding players like Richarlison and Doucoure before the likes of Watford...

Top 4 is attainable, the Premier league really isn't that strong anymore...
This is a joke, right?

Take a look at how much they've spent in the last 4 seasons alone - they've spent £450M on players.

Half a billion gone into getting this team together.

"Steals" my arse.
 
Money isn't everything, says the guy who wants us to pay off a 4th manager and spend a suicidal amount to bring in one of the greatest players of this generation or a guy with less of a trophy history than the current incubent in as a replacement

Moshiri is wasting his money at present.

He's the 4th biggest benefactor in england yet his side are in 10th (11th after WHU beat Burnley).

All the other benefactors have their sides in the top 4 because they were smart enough to hire managers capable of moving them forward ie. Jose, Mancini etc.

Utd made the same mistake as us Post Fergie appointing Moyes to take over rather than a quality manager and they never truly recovered from him and then Van Gaal who's another Koeman.
 
Moshiri is wasting his money at present.

He's the 4th biggest benefactor in england yet his side are in 10th (11th after WHU beat Burnley).

All the other benefactors have their sides in the top 4 because they were smart enough to hire managers capable of moving them forward ie. Jose, Mancini etc.

Utd made the same mistake as us Post Fergie appointing Moyes to take over rather than a quality manager and they never truly recovered from him and then Van Gaal who's another Koeman.

All have made mistakes before getting it right though, Arsenal left it too long to retire Wenger, Chelsea hired Mourinho twice as it worked but also had Grant, Scolari, Villas Boas, Di Matteo, Hiddink as interim twice, Benitez, Ancelotti and Conte, Spurs replaced Redknapp with AVB and Sherwood before gambling on Pochettino, the brethren binned off Benitez for Hodgson, a past it Dalglish and Rodgers before landing Klopp, Mancini and Pellegrini both won titles with City but still weren't deemed good enough so they got Guardiola
 

Well, you brought City into the fray, so it's only right to point out that what City were able to do was not only change personnel over time, but change personnel after Hughes from very good players to world class players. And they continued to strengthen in all areas under Pellegrini and Guardiola. It takes about half a billion quid....and they never get their players poached.

We will never be in that position.

To make the leap back into the elite we needed a takeover by an individual or group who are fantastically wealthy beyond imagination. We got Moshiri, and that's not a game changer.

It's toe curling now to go back and read the projections about how far we'd progress under Moshiri made in the summer after his arrival. They really do need to be read again and again as a salutary lesson in humility.

Two and a half years on and we're lost. Nowhere. Fighting for an identity.

His time here can only be judged as a failure, though I'm sure I'll be given a battery of data on finances to "prove" it otherwise.
Hard to disagree with the thrust of your argument here.
However what jars me is your ensuing hostility towards Moshiri purely because he isn’t sufficiently wealthy. As far as I can ascertain he is currently trying to sensibly ‘grow’ the club to a better position. A cohesive and modern management structure , the injection of as many financial resources as current regulations allow and the building of a modern, hopefully profitable, stadium , all point to an ambitious and considered strategy which has a good chance of bearing fruit.
It is a frustratingly slow process,no doubt, but over 30 years of neglect will take time to cure.
More to the point when Moshiri purchased the club ,and at any point before for that matter, none of these super rich entities showed any palpable interest in us.
For that matter the same was true when both Kenwright and Johnson became our owners. They weren’t the best of a bad bunch they were the only bunch.
If anyone is ultimately responsible for our current malaise it is our former owner and benefactor J. Moores and his protege P.Carter.
Moores at the end failed to have the foresight to put in place a robust enough structure that would ensure our future. Our decline began with his death.
Carter ,for all his efforts, failed to remedy his former masters failings.
We have a long way to travel to recover those several lost decades of opportunity and we can only hope Moshiri is astute enough to lead us to a better future.
At this moment I would argue the signs are promising.
In any case there are no signs of any other white knights riding to our rescue.
 
We're no better off, and in many respcts worse off. And that's not me hankering for Kenwright's return, btw.

But Dave in most respects we are better off there has been some improvement and that is a step forward.

On the playing field is another matter our be and end all manager appears to be having a certain amount of difficulty.
 
Moshiri is wasting his money at present.

He's the 4th biggest benefactor in england yet his side are in 10th (11th after WHU beat Burnley).

All the other benefactors have their sides in the top 4 because they were smart enough to hire managers capable of moving them forward ie. Jose, Mancini etc.

Utd made the same mistake as us Post Fergie appointing Moyes to take over rather than a quality manager and they never truly recovered from him and then Van Gaal who's another Koeman.

It has been the managers and their background boys that have wasted the money not Moshi.
 
With Moshiri, the intention is good, but the execution has been woeful.

The next managerial appointment, which is hopefully a long way off, will surely be entrusted entirely to Brands.

The resources put in so far, for a man of his comparative wealth have been more than generous. I agree that it's not his fault that the largesse has been mostly wasted and achieved nothing by way of a tangible return.

One can only hope that lessons have been learned and mistakes are not repeated. I do think the appointment of Brands, a specialist, experienced DOF is a positive step forward in that regard, though I question why he has not been added as a director. The board needed a direct football input.

My concern remains the day to day business management and strategic direction. Our future hinges on the delivery of BMD but the makeup of the board and senior management structure causes me deep concern. As with player recruitment, the search should be global and as broad based as possible.

I really did think that Moshiri passing the 50% ownership threshold would usher in the appointment of an external CEO who was a big-hitter in the industry along with new directors of a similar calibre. Instead it has been a combination of people returning to the club from elsewhere and internal promotions with the makeup of the management being mostly of figures from the North-West. That cannot indicate a commitment to appoint the best person we can to each role, more the continued preference for familiarity and comfort. People do not and will not extend themselves in such an environment. It is not conducive to accountability and raised performance levels for the business.

People like Bryan Gilvary were mentioned and I would have thought that Moshiri has enough contacts from Usmanov and the sectors he is active in to have been able to bring people on board schooled the hard way in terms of accountability and delivery. One has to ask why these opportunities have not been taken.
 
Ironically none of the players who are carrying any critisicm on here were bought by brands. The latest being Walsh's last signings.

So moshiri has kinda got the dof appointment right if we are all moaning about every player not bought by brands.
 

It will soon be dawning on Moshiri, if it hasn't already, that just having the finances to back a manager doesn't necessarily reward you with a noticeably better team. I think there is a considerable amount of genuine quality among that top 5 or 6 clubs and then the likes of Wolves, Everton, West Ham and Leicester have between 1-3 players who could make that step up to be top 6 players. The rest of those sides, and the remaining Premier League teams are full of mediocre players who now command huge price tags that these players are nowhere near justifying.

What Brands and Silva need to do over the next few windows is make sure they identify the genuine quality as opposed to the overhyped players who are mediocre and overrated and end up being wasted money.

If you look at some of our more recent signings, Digne at £20m, Gana at £7m (a Walsh signing) and even Richarlison at £35m (given his goal contribution and age) were worth the price we paid for them. I'd put Pickford in that category too.

Sigurdsson was over priced but since we have the money, I am not too bothered at over spending on him as he is contributing to the side with goals and assists.

We then have a long list of players that we have massively overpaid for and won't take us to the level we want to get to. Bolasie, Klassen, Keane, Walcott, Tosun to name some of them and it's these signings that Silva and Brands need to be making sure we don't over spend on in the future.
 
Hard to disagree with the thrust of your argument here.
However what jars me is your ensuing hostility towards Moshiri purely because he isn’t sufficiently wealthy. As far as I can ascertain he is currently trying to sensibly ‘grow’ the club to a better position. A cohesive and modern management structure , the injection of as many financial resources as current regulations allow and the building of a modern, hopefully profitable, stadium , all point to an ambitious and considered strategy which has a good chance of bearing fruit.
It is a frustratingly slow process,no doubt, but over 30 years of neglect will take time to cure. More to the point when Moshiri purchased the club ,and at any point before for that matter, none of these super rich entities showed any palpable interest in us.
For that matter the same was true when both Kenwright and Johnson became our owners. They weren’t the best of a bad bunch they were the only bunch.
If anyone is ultimately responsible for our current malaise it is our former owner and benefactor J. Moores and his protege P.Carter.
Moores at the end failed to have the foresight to put in place a robust enough structure that would ensure our future. Our decline began with his death.
Carter ,for all his efforts, failed to remedy his former masters failings.
We have a long way to travel to recover those several lost decades of opportunity and we can only hope Moshiri is astute enough to lead us to a better future.
At this moment I would argue the signs are promising.
In any case there are no signs of any other white knights riding to our rescue.
Americans John Jay Moores and Charles Noell were deep in negotiations with Everton at the same time Moshiri was looking to invest.
 

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