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Farhad Moshiri

7+ Years On... Your Verdict On Farhad Moshiri

  • Pleased

    Votes: 111 7.9%

  • Disappointed

    Votes: 1,295 92.1%
  • Total voters
    1,406
Steve Wigan said:
All Bill did was buy some shares and sell them at a profit.Thats what you're supposed to do.I've done it myself on a much smaller scale. Without Everton, Bill would still be a relatively rich man because of the success of his actual job in the theatre and movie business. Bill made mistakes when he was running Everton without Moshiri, but eventually he did what he said he'd do which was sell to a guy with a lot more money than him. There is a big argument against the choice of Benitez but the other managers that Mosh/Bill have chosen came with decent reputations. Reputations earned with a better group of players than were/are at Everton. Eventually Benitez may have sorted the club out, but not many on the board or amongst the support would give him the amount of time needed. Football is still a results business.....and you can be a shambles of a club but it won't matter if youre winning. A shambles and a losing run, and theres only one outcome.
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He had nowhere near the wealth to purchase the club off Johnson, so he recruited pals with that wealth (the Greggs etc). He then used other pals (Earl and Green) to pay them off following the power struggle when the Greggs offered to finance the kings dock stadium, killing that project stone dead in the process. He then tried to reward his new (retail) pals with a stadium (shopping mall) in Kirkby. In an era of increasing TV deals, we still had no spare cash for signings or stadium developments when all our peers did. Was this because we were actually paying off these new silent partners (great friends of Everton FC as BK called them)? Moyes built solid sides by buying and selling. BK sold everything that wasn't nailed down to stay in charge and wheeled out corkers like Samuelson.... he then cancelled AGMs because he was rumbled by the shareholders..... and hung on till he found someone who was prepared to splash the cash and leave him in control with a massive windfall for taking the club from one of the biggest to make-weights..... all on the back of Boy's pen tales. (Which are about as plausible as Rondon repeating 60 a season)
 
Tom Hughes said:
He had nowhere near the wealth to purchase the club off Johnson, so he recruited pals with that wealth (the Greggs etc). He then used other pals (Earl and Green) to pay them off following the power struggle when the Greggs offered to finance the kings dock stadium, killing that project stone dead in the process. He then tried to reward his new (retail) pals with a stadium (shopping mall) in Kirkby. In an era of increasing TV deals, we still had no spare cash for signings or stadium developments when all our peers did. Was this because we were actually paying off these new silent partners (great friends of Everton FC as BK called them)? Moyes built solid sides by buying and selling. BK sold everything that wasn't nailed down to stay in charge and wheeled out corkers like Samuelson.... he then cancelled AGMs because he was rumbled by the shareholders..... and hung on till he found someone who was prepared to splash the cash and leave him in control with a massive windfall for taking the club from one of the biggest to make-weights..... all on the back of Boy's pen tales. (Which are about as plausible as Rondon repeating 60 a season)
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Bills big problem was that he tried to finance Everton in the same way that he successfully financed his theatre shows. In the theatre investors are known as 'angels' and the put money into musical shows, etc , and reap big rewards if the show is a success. For example, by buying the rights to Educating Rita when no one had heard of it, Bill acquired a property that is still making him money every day of the week. Similarly Bill owns the film of Stepping Out, another regular earner, and there are many more. Bill chose his words badly when he said that the Kings Dock money was 'ring fenced'......what he meant that the loan of the money was available from the bank. Unfortunately (in some ways) the bank saw that the deal for the KD was very much in favour of Gregg and would not lend the money.. Gregg had made his money by refurbishing old provincial theatres and putting Bill Ks budget versions of West End shows in these theatres at a profit.Bill was/is brilliant at producing touring versions of successful shows. Unfortunately the 'angels' investment method doesn't work in the football business, and there are only so many carrots you can dangle.(for example the promise of retail outlets at Kirkby got Robert Earle on board.briefly. When Kirkby didn't happen, Earle was very quick to jump ship. The Greggs jumped as well when there was nothing in Everton for them. Gregg saw the KD as an entertainment arena were Everton just happened to play football. The Greggs then moved on to, I think, Sheffield Wednesday, with a similar result. Interesting that the best money they ever made was on the back of Bill Kenwrights shows. It has to be said that Bill was a lot better putting on shows and making movies than he was at running a football club,but some of the stories about BK are based on pub talk and hearsay. And of course, there is a group of 'super macho' football supporters who think that anyone who works in the theatre is of doubtful orientation. That is very far from the truth.
 

Steve Wigan said:
Bills big problem was that he tried to finance Everton in the same way that he successfully financed his theatre shows. In the theatre investors are known as 'angels' and the put money into musical shows, etc , and reap big rewards if the show is a success. For example, by buying the rights to Educating Rita when no one had heard of it, Bill acquired a property that is still making him money every day of the week. Similarly Bill owns the film of Stepping Out, another regular earner, and there are many more. Bill chose his words badly when he said that the Kings Dock money was 'ring fenced'......what he meant that the loan of the money was available from the bank. Unfortunately (in some ways) the bank saw that the deal for the KD was very much in favour of Gregg and would not lend the money.. Gregg had made his money by refurbishing old provincial theatres and putting Bill Ks budget versions of West End shows in these theatres at a profit.Bill was/is brilliant at producing touring versions of successful shows. Unfortunately the 'angels' investment method doesn't work in the football business, and there are only so many carrots you can dangle.(for example the promise of retail outlets at Kirkby got Robert Earle on board.briefly. When Kirkby didn't happen, Earle was very quick to jump ship. The Greggs jumped as well when there was nothing in Everton for them. Gregg saw the KD as an entertainment arena were Everton just happened to play football. The Greggs then moved on to, I think, Sheffield Wednesday, with a similar result. Interesting that the best money they ever made was on the back of Bill Kenwrights shows. It has to be said that Bill was a lot better putting on shows and making movies than he was at running a football club,but some of the stories about BK are based on pub talk and hearsay. And of course, there is a group of 'super macho' football supporters who think that anyone who works in the theatre is of doubtful orientation. That is very far from the truth.
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Whether the Greggs had their own motives or not is irrelevant. As fellow directors they offered the cash to get Kings Dock over the line. BK refused it to keep control. Approximately 20yrs of lost revenues and missed opportunities in that failure alone. He should've been run out of town just for that. The Kirkby debacle was ilconceived, fundamentally flawed and backed by multiple lies from the start. The fortress funding/Samuelson episode was also reprehensible. I could easily go on listing these well documented failures. It is far from just his innocent business niavity.... how could it be after so long and so many incidents?
 
Steve Wigan said:
Football is still a results business.....and you can be a shambles of a club but it won't matter if youre winning. A shambles and a losing run, and theres only one outcome.
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I don't buy this mate. I suppose when you say 'if you're winning' you mean winning a few matches instead of this dreadful run under Benitez. Then sure it's a feel good factor at the end of the day the one thing that we want is to win games (and trophies).

It's not quite that straight forward. The club as pointed out is not quite where it should be if it was run properly and all the issues in the background filters through on the pitch. Leicester is a well run club it would appear from the outside, so too Brighton, so too Brentford, so too the RS. I want us to win today and keep on winning but that won't make me think oh BK has been wonderful the last 25 years. I mean when we last won the league City and Chelsea were just yoyo clubs and incomparable to Everton. Now we are incomparable to them. How we have fallen in stature in the last 20 odd years. That's what such a well run club we are!
 


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