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Financial Fair Play investigation

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Lee Smith said:
99% of Everton Fans : “This board is a joke, and our accounts are a complete mess!”

Sports Finance Industry Expert : “Having looked at Everton’s accounts, I have some concerns”

Some people on GOT : “HOW DARE YOU!!”

This place can be mental sometimes.
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He said we'd be punished with a points deduction....I'm not sure how that translates to you as "I have some concerns".
 
Damo_1878 said:
They have to appoint appeal board then review the evidence in full

New evidence can be entered

It's a new hearing with the opportunity to enter new evidence at the discretion of the appeal board. Rules W.70 and W.71
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W.71.
Any party to an appeal may apply for permission to adduce evidence that was not adduced before the Commission or Interim Commission that heard the complaint or Interim Application (as appropriate). Such permission shall only be granted if it can be shown that the evidence was not available to the party and could not have been obtained by such party with reasonable diligence, at the time at which the Commission or Interim Commission heard the complaint or Interim Application (as appropriate).

New evidence can indeed be entered but the constants around the introduction of any new evidence is extremely limited
 
davek said:
He said we'd be punished with a points deduction....I'm not sure how that translates to you as "I have some concerns".
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He said his guess would be a points deduction if found guilty. Is he not allowed to have an opinion when asked the question? A points deduction is one of the possible outcomes after all. If that is his opinion, I have no problem with him stating it.

If you think his personal opinion will have any bearing whatsoever on the ultimate outcome of the investigation / punishment, then crack on. Personally I’m not going to let it bother me.
 
If we were to get a points deduction for season 2023/2024 how does that effect us if we go down?
As we would no longer be under PL rules would the deduction become invalid
For me I would rather be relegated this year and have a chance of bouncing back before the new stadium opens than stay in the PL but start with a points deduction of between 6 and 12 points.
This team could not avoid relegation with a deduction next year.
 

davek said:
He said we'd be punished with a points deduction....I'm not sure how that translates to you as "I have some concerns".
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Only binary arguments accepted from the death squad. In their minds you either think we should be liquidated immediately or you support bill.

I've always thoughts point deductions that are often a death sentence for a club are a horrific punitive action, pretending to be control for the clubs own good.
 
Walken said:
Only binary arguments accepted from the death squad. In their minds you either think we should be liquidated immediately or you support bill.

I've always thoughts point deductions that are often a death sentence for a club are a horrific punitive action, pretending to be control for the clubs own good.
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That's what some Evertonians want...."because if we get rid of Everton we'll get rid of Bill"....


...I know.
 
Anyone think a 3 point deduction with 6 point suspended sentence for future financial breaches makes sense as far as Premier League are concerned.
Everton might just about accept that as manageable next season and Burnley wouldn't have a case against their relegation because we were 4 points clear!
Also sets a lowish precedent with City and probably Chelsea next up!
Ticks all the boxes without all hell breaking loose.
 
Lee Smith said:
99% of Everton Fans : “This board is a joke, and our accounts are a complete mess!”

Sports Finance Industry Expert : “Having looked at Everton’s accounts, I have some concerns”

Some people on GOT : “HOW DARE YOU!!”

This place can be mental sometimes.
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Much like your own children. Only we are allowed to criticize Everton lol
 

Lee Smith said:
He said his guess would be a points deduction if found guilty. Is he not allowed to have an opinion when asked the question? A points deduction is one of the possible outcomes after all. If that is his opinion, I have no problem with him stating it.

If you think his personal opinion will have any bearing whatsoever on the ultimate outcome of the investigation / punishment, then crack on. Personally I’m not going to let it bother me.
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Maguire is in a privileged position because of his expertise and resultant access to an audience. He went on a national sports radio station expressing the view that a points deduction was the most likely outcome, so he was inferring guilt by expressing that opinion. I made the exception of tuning in live, and that was my take.

I'm aware that subjudice restrictions are not going to apply here but the principles of natural justice should. The people who will eventually sit on the panel do not live in caves. It's not enough to say we expect professionals to cast aside the noise and hear the evidence impartially, people are human and are subject to inference.

I think its important as the clubs future is on the line here. Punishment could well result in our relegation next season. Peoples jobs could be on the line, and I'm not talking about millionaire footballers. I don't say this to suggest the club are above scrutiny and criticism, absolutely not. But that's the problem here, it will be the club, the institution, the fans, us, that are at the receiving end of whatever punishment is meted out. As to the outcome of this hearing, our interest and the clubs interest are completely aligned (or surely, should be) in wanting to avoid and/or minimise punishment. There is no contradiction whatsoever in saying that and holding steadfastly to the belief that the owner and board have been an absolute disaster for the club and they should be removed immediately.

I just don't see how Maguires intervention serves the club in any way when it is in such a vulnerable position., and whatever our custodians have done, we should expect factual reporting. Maguire veered off that course by giving his personal opinion, which carries at least some weight by virtue of his background. He could have provided an analysis of the situation without acting as judge and jury.
 
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brieverton said:
Maguire is in a privileged position because of his expertise and resultant access to an audience. He went on a national sports radio station expressing the view that a points deduction was the most likely outcome, so he was inferring guilt by expressing that opinion. I made the exception of tuning in live, and that was my take.

I'm aware that subjudice restrictions are not going to apply here but the principles of natural justice should. The people who will eventually sit on the panel do not live in caves. It's not enough to say we expect professionals to cast aside the noise and hear the evidence impartially, people are human and are subject to inference.

I think its important as the clubs future is on the line here. Punishment could well result in our relegation next season. Peoples jobs could be on the line, and I'm not talking about millionaire footballers. I don't say this to suggest the club are above scrutiny and criticism, absolutely not. But that's the problem here, it will be the club, the institution, the fans, us, that are at the receiving end of whatever punishment is meted out. As to the outcome of this hearing, our interest and the clubs interest are completely aligned (or surely, should be) in wanting to avoid and/or minimise punishment. There is no contradiction whatsoever in saying that and holding steadfastly to the belief that the owner and board have been an absolute disaster for the club and they should be removed immediately.

I just don't see how Maguires intervention serves the club in any way when it is in such a vulnerable position., and whatever our custodians have done, we should expect factual reporting. Maguire veered off that course by giving his personal opinion, which carries at least some weight by virtue of his background. He could have provided an analysis of the situation without acting as judge and jury.
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Thats a fair and reasoned post mate and has some salient points.

The "influence" felt should in no way dictate the outcome but it inevitably may have some bearing.

My take from reading and staying mainly silent, as I'm not savvy nor intelligent enough to add anything of note, is that, if they make an example of us within the confines of the rules then it sets the precedent and should dictate any future actions against others found in breach.

Being biased, I cant see an even and fair process being the case for any future cases but that is a Blue Tinted specs view but may be nearer the truth than we care to admit.

I fear any external influences, as @davek is pointing out in that article, may well have some bearing on ours though and that to me is without debate the main issue for us all.

Having said all that someone rightly stated commentators will commentate and we cant stop those opinions being sought or spoken, you just hope that if it does exert any influence the professional bodies that oversee it all do not let such things sway their outcome.

All we need is a fair and proper outcome. I fear any points deduction will hit us harder than any financial penalties, especially if coupled with "transfer embargos" etc.

The whole future of Everton is at stake effectively. Which may seem doom and gloom but it would be a terrible consequence for absolutely abysmal mismanagement on the part of those responsible for its long term success.
 
davek said:
He said we'd be punished with a points deduction....I'm not sure how that translates to you as "I have some concerns".
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The concern is that these bs artists are creating a foundation where unfair and unjust punishments being acceptable are being bandied about over a club that should still be considered innocent.

Anyone who can't see through their grift and self-agrandisement at the expense of Everton should hang their head in shame if they consider themselves as Evertonians.

As for the Mark E Smith of football finances, his prophesies about punishments throw any credibility he has in the bin with regards to his "expert" opinion on our finances.
 
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