Financial Fair Play investigation

[davek]

This is the thing, The PL is the clubs - if each club is scrutinizing the other accounts ready to point a finger - which it clearly has become with us City, we are already looking at Chelsea's, Leicester's, Leeds, Forests and Villas - this is going to be wide reaching in the future, we might be on the bold step today - but there are a few who must be shifting in their seats and at what point do turkeys not vote for Xmas.

I mean we have a lot of extenuating circumstances here. The positives the club have are that they're committing to a lot of 'virtue spending' on projects like the stadium and community schemes. That should count for a lot of goodwill. It's the type of spending the PL apparently want to see more of.

The club have been appallingly run by a bunch of clowns for the last 7 years in an effort to get onto the next level, but the PL and its appendages like Sky Sports have encouraged spending in order to boost the profile of the league around the world. The whole thing is a farce with arbitrary financial rules that will allow for this type of competition busting spending but not allow for another type.

In that context the spectacle of some Evertonians dutifully standing in line behind those who may punish the club is pathetic. They should hang their heads in shame.

 

[degsy]

There has to be proportionality when deciding on punishment and the yardstick is precedent based on other punishments doled out but do we get a trophy if we’re found innocent? It will be the biggest win we’ve had in a quarter of a century

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[davek]

It's ok by him because so far Chelsea haven't broken any rules yet. They have "gamed the system" and as a result UEFA have closed that loophole. But what they did was perfectly legal when they did it. He reports on every team. It's so weird that you think he has developed a personal grudge against Everton because of one comment. You seem to be the one with an axe to grind. Absolutely obsessed.

He's let into the public domain his animosity toward the club's officers - I didn't do that, HE did.

The system is a sham in any case, as I alluded to above.

Unbelievable the amount of people who want the PL to kick us in the nuts and hand down a punishment.

"It's alright lads, Chelsea gained the system. That's ok. But we deserve punishment"

 

[davek]

Of course, but I prefer to see what happens with the investigation before I start to try and rule things in or out. We haven't got to that stage yet.

Would that everyone took that viewpoint. Certain people on here are loving the propect of getting shut of Kenwright and Co. by getting shut of Everton...that's how perverse they are.

 

[HalfTimeSayers]

If we are found guilty based on raw facts and given an X point penalty BUT with mitigating circumstances of Covid, complete transparency and actually pre-warned the PL of the breach, our record signing suddenly suspended thus unable to sell, unable to sell players in line with agreed recovery plan due to Covid market conditions, loss of completely legal (if a bit dodgy) revenue streams due to a foreign war, PL actually allowing us to spend (Onana) in the periods AFTER the alleged breach etc etc etc etc. then they would literally have to ban all forms of professional and grassroots football in Manchester for 1000 years if City found guilty of all their charges.

They cant crater us “to look strong” when a more serious and high profile case has a small chance of being thrown out (throwing doubt on the legality of our punishment), or if guilty would obviously require a far far far more punitive sporting penalty than we would receive. It would be like a ref giving a 5 match ban for an innocuous 1st minute tackle to look strong. He/she has nowhere to go with realistic punishments for the remainder of the match when McTominay snaps 8 people deliberately.

Fine. Transfer restrictions. Suspended points penalty. Business plans and continued process of PL authorising all expenditure. Which I’m sure we will “disappointingly” accept just to get the slate wiped clean. And we would deserve it.

 

[Neiler]

I mean we have a lot of extenuating circumstances here. The positives the club have are that they're committing to a lot of 'virtue spending' on projects like the stadium and community schemes. That should count for a lot of goodwill. It's the type of spending the PL apparently want to see more of.

The club have been appallingly run by a bunch of clowns for the last 7 years in an effort to get onto the next level, but the PL and its appendages like Sky Sports have encouraged spending in order to boost the profile of the league around the world. The whole thing is a farce with arbitrary financial rules that will allow for this type of competition busting spending but not allow for another type.

In that context the spectacle of some Evertonians dutifully standing in line behind those who may punish the club is pathetic. They should hang their heads in shame.

I think are biggest chips are point to the scab 6 - there punishment and also the pandemic recovery - i mean it wouldn't be hard to point to being mid way through a five year financial plan of investment and look at how that was totally torpedoed by the pandemic - i mean its an act of god. Other thing is we can say fine - did they want us to play Gylfi, would they like us to continue with our sponsorship deals with USM?

They cant have their squeaky clean profile and shaft us - now they are pulling up the ladder on betting sponsorship - cause and effect - they'd be chips id be putting down personally.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

He's let into the public domain his animosity toward the club's officers - I didn't do that, HE did.

The system is a sham in any case, as I alluded to above.

Unbelievable the amount of people who want the PL to kick us in the nuts and hand down a punishment.

"It's alright lads, Chelsea gained the system. That's ok. But we deserve punishment"

I get the belief that a punishment or relegation would force the clowns in charge to pack their bags and go. I just don't see them leaving because they genuinely believe they are blameless in all this. In fact, the worst thing that could happen is us get a points deduction this season and go down as a result because that will give them an excuse, someone else to blame for their failings. We would have survived had it not been for the evil PL and all that.

 

[davek]

You're the only one with an axe to grind..... (as ever)

The real issue is how and why we're in this position and what it all means ...... and that has nothing whatsover to do with Keiran Maguire. However, If (as a mere light entertainer) he's identified one way in which Chelsea (or anyone else) have brought their accounting figures within limits, and if it is a valid method, then shouldn't we perhaps be asking why our (accountant) owner and his multiple accounting staff haven't done similar? Or was that because we couldn't dare offer longer term deals to most of the duffers we've bought?

Get a grip.... stop going off at interminable tangents. Our plight will have nothing to do with Maguire.

It's interesting you mention accounting. I listened to a podcast earlier where Maguire was referring to City's case and he stated that their auditors signed off their accounts "so we have to respect that". But Everton's audit is not to be respected but questioned according to Maguire, because the club changed auditors.

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As for me going off on "interminable tangents" - go and take a look at your posting history in the stadium thread. You've spent the entirety of your time on this forum advocating - IN A NEW STADIUM THREAD THATS ALMOST HALF COMPLETE - that Goodison Park be kept in mind for consideration still!!!

Physician heal thyself.

Lol!

 

[Wizard]

He's let into the public domain his animosity toward the club's officers - I didn't do that, HE did.

The system is a sham in any case, as I alluded to above.

Unbelievable the amount of people who want the PL to kick us in the nuts and hand down a punishment.

"It's alright lads, Chelsea gained the system. That's ok. But we deserve punishment"

I've said all along people should just wait and see what happens rather than get worked up about it before we know what the charges are. Just because I don't spend all day whining on here about one person who will have no bearing on the commission doesn't mean I want Everton to get punished.

 

[davek]

I think are biggest chips are point to the scab 6 - there punishment and also he pandemic recovery - i mean it wouldn't be hard to point to being mid way through a five year financial plan of investment and look at how that totally torpedoed by the pandemic - i mean its an act of god. Other thing is we can say fine - did they want us to play Gylfi, would they like us to continue with our sponsorship deals with USM?

They cant have their squeaky clean profile and shaft us - now they are pulling up the ladder on betting sponsorship - cause and effect - they'd be chips id be putting down personally.

We hear everyday about the effects of the pandemic and the Ukraine War on the economy. It'd be a perverse that two such impacts (one of which affected the whole of football too and one that affected Everton and Chelsea in particular) weren't to be given massive weight in any hearing. That and the fact that the PL are on the hook with Everton by 'guiding' the clu's spending in the last 18 months.

As said: the whole things a sham. It's just sad that it's revealed amongst many of our own fans a Pavlovian response to authorities; that they must be right and we are wrong. As well as that cohort there are an even worse group who'll gladly take points deductions as a way of 'solving' our boardroom issue...killing the host isn't even an issue for such people....there's a special place in hell reserved for that lot.

 

[davek]

I get the belief that a punishment or relegation would force the clowns in charge to pack their bags and go. I just don't see them leaving because they genuinely believe they are blameless in all this. In fact, the worst thing that could happen is us get a points deduction this season and go down as a result because that will give them an excuse, someone else to blame for their failings. We would have survived had it not been for the evil PL and all that.

The ridiculous thing about wanting relegation to get shut of the board - as many on here apparently do - is that the board are effectively gone anyway.

There's no coming back from this for the current board. NONE.

 

[Blue peter]

Not sure of the contract length with Stake, but PL just agreed to remove betting sponsorship from front of shirts from start of 25/26 season

 

[Toffeeslam]

The ridiculous thing about wanting relegation to get shut of the board - as many on here apparently do - is that the board are effectively gone anyway.

There's no coming back from this for the current board. NONE.

I think they will pull a mugabe style stunt where by ignoring all scrutiny and criticism and carry on regardless

No AGM or accountability or engagement with the fans and will continue to not come to the home games.

If we want Kenwright out out it’s going to be a king slog unfortunately as he really does believe he has the support of the majority of the clubs fans and us fighting the good fight.

He won’t entertain another view at all

 

[Neiler]

We hear everyday about the effects of the pandemic and the Ukraine War on the economy. It'd be a perverse that two such impacts (one of which affected the whole of football too and one that affected Everton and Chelsea in particular) weren't to be given massive weight in any hearing. That and the fact that the PL are on the hook with Everton by 'guiding' the clu's spending in the last 18 months.

As said: the whole things a sham. It's just sad that it's revealed amongst many of our own fans a Pavlovian response to authorities; that they must be right and we are wrong. As well as that cohort there are an even worse group who'll gladly take points deductions as a way of 'solving' our boardroom issue...killing the host isn't even an issue for such people....there's a special place in hell reserved for that lot.

We now have until 25/26 to find a new shirt sponsor - again the PL change rules that impact financially on certain clubs - its fine being moral about it, but its asking clubs with less monster commercial revenue or a sovereign wealth fund to go out and fill a £10-£15mill annual hole in their finances, in a condensed market where so many clubs are going to be looking for a new sponsor.

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

PL can't penalise a club playing in EFL and vice versa. Any penalty would be waiting the club if/when they return to the league they were penalised in

Well if you look at the regulations there is some potential change this year.

One League can pass it to the other to continue an Investigation seemingly. However it's a grey area.