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Financial Fair Play investigation

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CalBuckeye_Rob said:
If you go down, you need to sell your high wage earners and reboot. The EFL does give the relegated a bit of a financial parachute to lessen the blow, but it is a risk you take when you spend and fail.
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Like I said, it is nuanced. In England, the PL does not exist in a world without the league pyramid. There is not too much money in football, it is where it goes that is the cause of most issues. I dont know what the answer is, there probably isnt one that keeps the pyramid intact, yet allows PL owners to spend whatever they like. Esp if two clubs are state owned, and 2 clubs have global revenue that dwarfs everyone else.
 
roydo said:
Like I said, it is nuanced. In England, the PL does not exist in a world without the league pyramid. There is not too much money in football, it is where it goes that is the cause of most issues. I dont know what the answer is, there probably isnt one that keeps the pyramid intact, yet allows PL owners to spend whatever they like. Esp if two clubs are state owned, and 2 clubs have global revenue that dwarfs everyone else.
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Living in the US and as a fan of American sports, all but baseball have some type of cap on salaries to give teams a more competitive chance to win. Baseball has some revenue sharing to assist the bottom teams but the teams with big money coming in for broadcasting and at the stadium spend a bunch more though nothing would prevent a rich guy to drain his personal wealth and spend it to make a low income team have a better roster.

The world football model would probably make American fans lose their minds because it has essentially created a system that makes it nearly impossible for the lower teams to ever really compete with the elite. The Leicester City title was a level of improbable that is still hard to fathom.

My attitude is that at the Premier League level, you have almost all extreme wealth behind the teams. If stupid rich people want to spend their money on this toy rather than on bigger yachts, more mansions, or owning a small country, then go for it.
 
The best thing happening is that City are being hit with 115 charges to our 1
And Pep is pushing for a swift resolution
In theory, they will set the bar/precedent


Mind you, they could get relegated to Division 2 …. 😖
 
Groucho said:
Yes. It’s almost as if arbitrary spending limits are silly, isn’t it?
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They work a lot better as a means to force superteams to eventually tear it all down and rebuild through a draft than they do in leagues with relegation. That's a far harsher rebuild, and only applies to the chasing pack. The big revenue clubs are guaranteed to remain at the top, barring the sort of gross mismanagement taking place at Chelsea. All Woodward could manage was to render United mediocre, and flush a whole bunch of pounds doing it.

One other reason it works better in American sports is that everyone gets the same number they can spend, irrespective of turnover. It wasn't that long ago that if an Eddie DeBartolo was willing to go to jail to finance lifting the Lombardi trophy several times, wear an ugly yellow jacket and give an acceptance speech, we let him. We still would, but it wouldn't come with the guaranteed trophy lift due to the spending cap. The money still has to be spent well.
 
Milk said:
The best thing happening is that City are being hit with 115 charges to our 1
And Pep is pushing for a swift resolution
In theory, they will set the bar/precedent


Mind you, they could get relegated to Division 2 …. 😖
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In that case... To that ratio. We'll be promoted. Top stuff.
 

CalBuckeye_Rob said:
Living in the US and as a fan of American sports, all but baseball have some type of cap on salaries to give teams a more competitive chance to win. Baseball has some revenue sharing to assist the bottom teams but the teams with big money coming in for broadcasting and at the stadium spend a bunch more though nothing would prevent a rich guy to drain his personal wealth and spend it to make a low income team have a better roster.

The world football model would probably make American fans lose their minds because it has essentially created a system that makes it nearly impossible for the lower teams to ever really compete with the elite. The Leicester City title was a level of improbable that is still hard to fathom.

My attitude is that at the Premier League level, you have almost all extreme wealth behind the teams. If stupid rich people want to spend their money on this toy rather than on bigger yachts, more mansions, or owning a small country, then go for it.
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That’s not the whole story. The US sports teams for the most part use the Universities to bring in new talent (as almost of the national games are only played in the US) and then they allow the worse teams to get the first choices. This levels the field before you even worry about money. Also there are no real issues with loosing all the time as there are no consequences. You dont get relegated and no one has to fight to stay in the league, it just rolls on to the next season. Of course, additionally if a city feels like taking a team they just buy the franchise and move it to another city. Football is made complex by promotion and relegation and when some one comes along like a Hollywood star (Wrexham) or a Man City (Emirati royalty) then the outcome is already decided, they spank money and win. FFP is meant to protect the smaller teams but I think in the prem league its more likely that they will make an example out of someone like us and let the larger fish go with a warning. Money rules.
 
Milk said:
The best thing happening is that City are being hit with 115 charges to our 1
And Pep is pushing for a swift resolution
In theory, they will set the bar/precedent


Mind you, they could get relegated to Division 2 …. 😖
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That swift resolution will not be any time soon.
 

Yarrgh said:
That swift resolution will not be any time soon.
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No ... not when you (City) are employing lawyers (Lord Pannick) on a briefing fee of £1m (just to hear your position) and £10,000/hour thereafter plus all the other myriad lawyers on £3k/hr .. and then the possibility of taking all the way to the court of arbitration for sport and I guess you are looking at a minimum of 2 years and probably longer

BUT it would be in our interest to have the City case resolved first as everything will flow from there
 
Milk said:
No ... not when you (City) are employing lawyers (Lord Pannick) on a briefing fee of £1m (just to hear your position) and £10,000/hour thereafter plus all the other myriad lawyers on £3k/hr .. and then the possibility of taking all the way to the court of arbitration for sport and I guess you are looking at a minimum of 2 years and probably longer

BUT it would be in our interest to have the City case resolved first as everything will flow from there
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Hopefully City suing for their costs might lessen the PL's resolve...
 

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