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Financial Fair Play investigation

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I have no idea why a 12 point deduction story helps us.
When you have Man City with 115 cases, putting out a story that Everton have only 1 case yet the league want them to have the worst case scenario.

All clubs/media will argue Everton's case for them because in comparison, 1 v 115 isn't that bad.

I doubt The Premier League will want to be weak in the media especially when they have the Government looking in trying to control aspects of their company.

I think the leak is hand in hand with the club and Premier League to sway the commission so they see the negative reaction to point deduction and also shows the Prem as acting strong
 
2 things stand out:

1: Weve apparently been working with the premier league so they were fully aware.

2: Man City would be doomed

A punishment makes no sense at all.
 
When is this hearing?

Hard to be sure but seems it started last week and may have concluded hearing from the parties by now. As for a final verdict/determination, no idea. All very hush hush apart from the rambos in the press reporting what the PL is alleged to have urged the Commission to do.

I would be astonished if anyone of authority in the PL did this - really stupid if they did try to influence the determination of a plenipotentiary independent commission while proceedings are not complete.
 
I never said it was a court - it is a quasi-judicial or 'other proceeding'. Schedule 1.1 defines what criminal and appellate proceedings are, but the Schedule clearly includes "Other Proceedings".

Schedule 1.12


Other proceedings at first instance​

12 Proceedings other than criminal proceedings and appellate proceedings are active from the time when arrangements for the hearing are made or, if no such arrangements are previously made, from the time the hearing begins, until the proceedings are disposed of or discontinued or withdrawn; and for the purposes of this paragraph any motion or application made in or for the purposes of any proceedings, and any pre-trial review in the county court, is to be treated as a distinct proceeding.



Even if it is argued that this Act does not apply to the Commission's deliberations, it is still bound by the Rule of Natural Justice and all parties are bound to respect the sub judice rule, particularly participating parties, and anyone who has the ability to publish material that might be seen to prejudice nthe proceedings.

Lets leave it.

It doesn't apply to these circumstances. We can go round in circles but it applies to criminal proceedings and civil proceedings.

Premier league clubs have agreed contractually how to sort out problems. It is not a judicial process. There is no Judge.

Even if you want to say its civil proceedings (and it is not) a civil contempt would be enforceable by one of the parties going to a Judge who has authority to commit to prison for contempt.

There are many tribunals heard across the country to determine varied issues. For example a Committee by Governors to consider expulsions, dismissal or local FA's decisions about red cards etc.

You can't be in contempt for those just like you cannot be in contempt for this. There would be bedlam across the country.
 

When you have Man City with 115 cases, putting out a story that Everton have only 1 case yet the league want them to have the worst case scenario.

All clubs/media will argue Everton's case for them because in comparison, 1 v 115 isn't that bad.

I doubt The Premier League will want to be weak in the media especially when they have the Government looking in trying to control aspects of their company.

I think the leak is hand in hand with the club and Premier League to sway the commission so they see the negative reaction to point deduction and also shows the Prem as acting strong
Could be. I can see why the Premier League want to look tough although it does make them look incompetent whatever happens.

In relation to Man City that case is around 115 breaches over many years.

A hearing to decide that issue is likely to take significantly longer than ours and involve quite a lot of disclosure. It makes sense that the case will be heard much later and why nothing has happened to them yet. I don't why people (not you) keep on comparing the same as if nothing is happening with the Man City charges.

The only connection between the two will be that any punishments meted out to us establishes a precedent.

Quite frankly if they are found to have deliberately hidden matters, hindered an investigation and breached regulations 115 times anything other than expulsion will be a cop out. Given the money they have the consequences of expulsion are much less serious than what we face. Even if they had to go down to the National League they'd be back up in 4 or 5 years. Man City fans have been through a lot over the years and a 4-5 year blip is nothing.
 
2 things stand out:

1: Weve apparently been working with the premier league so they were fully aware.

2: Man City would be doomed

A punishment makes no sense at all.

Or they were not fully aware and when they were actually given the audited accounts it was completely different to what they'd been shown by the club.
 

Im sick of hearing and talking about Owners/chairmen/Take overs/DoF/agents/FFP/P&S/VAR/PL/Referees/Transfer fees etc......

We speak more about men in suits than we do about the players who we turn up or tune in to watch every week.

Football is dead and i wish it was so easy to walk away from it.
 
Whilst it seems obvious Man City's wrongdoing must be on a bigger scale than ours, surely the 115 v 1 argument is flawed as not all offences will be equal in severity?
 
Just to compare us against City in a different way.

We broke 1 rule and ended up benefiting from it in no way at all, actually going backwards in terms of league position.

City broke 115 rules and benefited from massive additional sponsorship deals, winning the Premier League 7 times, FA Cup and League Cup about 5 times and the Champions League once, all of which elevated their reputation as a football club, brought in hundreds of millions in prize money which built them a state of the art training facility and major upgrades to their stadium, allowed the club to launch a multi club model which benefits them hugely in terms of access to talent from around the world and gave the fans memories that will last a lifetime.

So if we get anything like 6-12 points ban, City either get liquidated or sent down about 16 divisions, right?

Trouble is of course the Premier League are dealing with not just a football club with City but an entire state, one which has major influence over the UK and would not look kindly on having a large asset of it being punished severely.

Then of course in financial terms the Abu Dhabi royal family has wealth into the trillions, whereas Mr Moshiri is no longer putting a single penny into Everton.

City can throw the world's best lawyers at their case and happily pay them £100k an hour for as many hours as they wish to work on it for them. They can get it tied up in red tape, they can threaten to withhold purchases such as military weapons etc from the UK government unless they intervene.

Everton can do nothing at all and have nobody in their corner.
 
Im sick of hearing and talking about Owners/chairmen/Take overs/DoF/agents/FFP/P&S/VAR/PL/Referees/Transfer fees etc......

We speak more about men in suits than we do about the players who we turn up or tune in to watch every week.

Football is dead and i wish it was so easy to walk away from it.

I'd prefer to think of or do a thousand other thing before talking about our players. lol
 
Lets leave it.

It doesn't apply to these circumstances. We can go round in circles but it applies to criminal proceedings and civil proceedings.

Premier league clubs have agreed contractually how to sort out problems. It is not a judicial process. There is no Judge.

Even if you want to say its civil proceedings (and it is not) a civil contempt would be enforceable by one of the parties going to a Judge who has authority to commit to prison for contempt.

There are many tribunals heard across the country to determine varied issues. For example a Committee by Governors to consider expulsions, dismissal or local FA's decisions about red cards etc.

You can't be in contempt for those just like you cannot be in contempt for this. There would be bedlam across the country.
I will happily go with your first three words.
 

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