Financial Fair Play investigation

[Marius57]

Just a January window ban and a fine.

In fact... wouldn't be surprised if that was the outcome.

Would be just like last season. No signings in Jan and end up selling someone to pay the fine.

 

[Marius57]

Which would be better ... a 6 points deduction or a 2 window transfer ban

Probably a 6 point deduction. Would put us only 1 point off safety as it stands.

A 2 window transfer ban would be awful with the number of contract expiry’s etc coming up.

 

[allen]

Yes those 6 have been understandably be found guilty in the court of public opinion but to state they have been fined is just not fact so trying to draw comparisons with the current charge facing Everton is subjective to say the least

They have been fined.

On 9 June, The Athletic reported that the Big Six had agreed to a collective £22 million fine in a settlement with the Premier League, with individual team fines of £25 million and 30-point deductions should any club agree to join a future breakaway league.

European Super League - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[davek]

Our own fans pick'n'mixing what punishment the club will take. Unbelievable.

The Telegraph will be pissing themselves.

How about we retain the more reasonable stance of saying "we're innocent of these spurious 'crimes', so GTF"?

 

[Micky_T]

Its not meaningless. As we can all see that report set the tone for all subsequent debate and had Everton marked down pre-juducially as guilty.

It most definitely was NOT meaningless.

All the speculation and prejudice is only meaningful if the independent committee listen to it and take note. If they do then they're not independent.

The speculation in the press is based on an assumption of what the charge is. As we don't know the charge, we don't know if Everton are guilty or innocent, we don't know the likely punishment I maintain that any speculation is meaningless.

 

[davek]

All the speculation and prejudice is only meaningful if the independent committee listen to it and take note. If they do then they're not independent.

The speculation in the press is based on an assumption of what the charge is. As we don't know the charge, we don't know if Everton are guilty or innocent, we don't know the likely punishment I maintain that any speculation is meaningless.

Its not like a civil criminal case and the jury get sent to hotels to avoid news coverage.

That Commission were subject to the British football media telling them what's expected from them in their final verdict.

That has to have an effect.

 

[WestStandLower]

Hold on, if they weren't guilty of PL laws then why are they fined, and why did they pay the fines?

The point is that the PL held them responsible for bringing the PL into disrepute and had any choice of punishment they wished to hand out. The CHOSE a small fine for each.

The fact that it wasn't about FFP is neither here nor there.

Sorry but you completely misrepresenting the outcome.

Not one of the clubs was charged with any breech of PL rules because the specific offence wasn’t covered there wasn’t any fine

Heres an example of the coverage

The six clubs involved in proposals to form a European Super League have today acknowledged once again that their actions were a mistake, and have reconfirmed their commitment to the Premier League and the future of the English game," the statement read.

"They have wholeheartedly apologised to their fans, fellow clubs, the Premier League and The FA.

https://paid.outbrain.com/network/r...INDhCKfLM3tp4sdDPAHsUpnX2K3G0Q&c=c5f82210&v=4
"As a gesture of goodwill, the clubs have collectively agreed to make a contribution of £22m, which will go towards the good of the game, including new investment in support for fans, grassroots football and community programmes.


"Furthermore, the clubs have agreed to support rule changes so that any similar actions in the future would lead to a 30-point deduction.

The problem was then that a disrepute charge that would , I think , be an FA charge would almost certainly fail because no rules were broken

 

[kenada_blue]

There is clear guidance and a process for clubs to follow and it certainly wouldn’t be the league that would be sued.

OK it might not entail club a )suing club b) but if ( and I think it’s important that we use that word ) the commission do rule against Everton and if it comes with a point’s deduction then it’s possible a claim to compensation could be made via the leagues arbitration process. A process all clubs have agreed to adhere to and a process that extends to ex PL members

In theory any arbitration panel ruling should be the end of the matter but the process could potentially go to FIFA under their Inter Club dispute process and unlike most PL v Club matters it’s conceivable that CAS would have jurisdiction but also the PL Arbitration process doesn’t totally exclude referring ( as City did ) the matter to the High Court

I'm not 100% but as it's an independent review, we can't go to CAS. City were able as it was a governing body ie UEFA that made the decision they contested.

Buck stops with commission. It's either them or the PL that implements the punishment.

I can't see any club holding ground to sue us for historical incidents the premier league allowed to happen. It'll be the leagues issue.

 

[davek]

Sorry but you completely misrepresenting the outcome.

Not one of the clubs was charged with any breech of PL rules because the specific offence wasn’t covered there wasn’t any fine

Heres an example of the coverage

The six clubs involved in proposals to form a European Super League have today acknowledged once again that their actions were a mistake, and have reconfirmed their commitment to the Premier League and the future of the English game," the statement read.

"They have wholeheartedly apologised to their fans, fellow clubs, the Premier League and The FA.

https://paid.outbrain.com/network/r...INDhCKfLM3tp4sdDPAHsUpnX2K3G0Q&c=c5f82210&v=4
"As a gesture of goodwill, the clubs have collectively agreed to make a contribution of £22m, which will go towards the good of the game, including new investment in support for fans, grassroots football and community programmes.


"Furthermore, the clubs have agreed to support rule changes so that any similar actions in the future would lead to a 30-point deduction.

The problem was then that a disrepute charge that would , I think , be an FA charge would almost certainly fail because no rules were broken

The PL can do wtf they want in their own league. The proved that by handing down a fine to the 6 scab clubs...and the 6 scab clubs paid it, because they recognised that the PL can do wtf they want and hand down any punishment.

If the situation wasn't covered by pre-existing guidelines on forming a scab league then the clubs in question could just tell the PL to GTF. But they didn't because everyone knows - regardless of "the court of public opinion" - that had the perfect right to decide to do whatever they wanted as a punishment.

Your position is absurd.

 

[Micky_T]

Its not like a civil criminal case and the jury get sent to hotels to avoid news coverage.

That Commission were subject to the British football media telling them what's expected from them in their final verdict.

That has to have an effect.

Surely it would only have an effect if any of it were true. If the PL have made a recommendation direct to the committee then fair enough but the people on the committee (whoever they may be) should have the intelligence to make their own mind up even if they are Telegraph readers.

Maybe I'm too nieve but I'd like to think we can trust the process or that Everton will appeal if they feel they don't get justice.

 

[WestStandLower]

I'm not 100% but as it's an independent review, we can't go to CAS. City were able as it was a governing body ie UEFA that made the decision they contested.

Buck stops with commission. It's either them or the PL that implements the punishment.

I can't see any club holding ground to sue us for historical incidents the premier league allowed to happen. It'll be the leagues issue.

Everton can’t go to CAS following the commission thats for sure but I was talking about the potential for the likes of Burnley to lodge a complaint against Everton be it under the PL Arbitration rules or maybe even under the Inter Club process complained within FIFAs statutes and that process definitely has a route to CAS.

 

[Blue peter]

If any clubs decided to sue us, then as long as we are confident we have complied within the set of guidelines, I would imagine we could bring the PL in as a party to legal proceedings. I’m not sure they would be too keen on that. In many ways those pissant clubs threatening proceedings off the back of the verdict has probably helped us. There is no way the PL would want us sued for that amount of money which allows one of Englands most historic clubs and a PL founding member, to be sued and them have the risk of being brought into proceedings. I suspect we will be cleared of the charges.

 

[Yarrgh]

Our own fans pick'n'mixing what punishment the club will take. Unbelievable.

The Telegraph will be pissing themselves.

How about we retain the more reasonable stance of saying "we're innocent of these spurious 'crimes', so GTF"?

We should be aghast at any punishment. Fans debating an extent of punishment shows how prejudicial the leaks and media stories have been.

We are presumed innocent unless found otherwise. The very fact that this is a secret hearing and investigation should ring alarm bells if we are not completely exonerated.

 

[WestStandLower]

The PL can do wtf they want in their own league. The proved that by handing down a fine to the 6 scab clubs...and the 6 scab clubs paid it, because they recognised that the PL can do wtf they want and hand down any punishment.

If the situation wasn't covered by pre-existing guidelines on forming a scab league then the clubs in question could just tell the PL to GTF. But they didn't because everyone knows - regardless of "the court of public opinion" - that had the perfect right to decide to do whatever they wanted as a punishment.

Your position is absurd.

Sorry but my position is supported by the facts of the matter. Yours, understandably, is emotive

Had the PL been in a position to charge the 6 clubs with all the current and at the time issues of governance and regulation then they would have done so.

 

[Llyrap]

Its not like a civil criminal case and the jury get sent to hotels to avoid news coverage.

That Commission were subject to the British football media telling them what's expected from them in their final verdict.

That has to have an effect.

Difference may be that this is not a lay jury. These are professionals one of which will be an accountant. They should not be swayed by whatever public opinion may be or face the same opprobrium that juries face in high profile cases.