Financial Fair Play investigation

[Damo_1878]

If the penalty was that the owner and board are banned from carrying out financial business on behalf of the club then I'm sure we'd (nearly) all be delighted with that.

I know I would be delighted.

 

[davek]

This ain't like City, who pumped money into their revenue streams using companies who their owner also owns.

We've simply spent way too much, compared to our income. We're screwed.

lol lol lol

 

[Neiler]

I'm not having that Neiler. "Excited"

I'm very very angry about it is what I am

The fact people still seem to be deflecting blame elsewhere is frankly ridiculous too

It illustrates the culture that Bill Kenwright has introduced and played off

Well let’s say it’s triggering for you so….but you are keener then the majority to take up the executioners axe for those threatening the institution and absolving the PL and their agenda within this dynamic - which is worthy of speculation.

I think everyone knows we’re run like a manure show - you’ll find post by me going back years cautioning - it’s been long acknowledged and warned about for years on here - you haven't and aren’t breaking any new ground on here. it’s not just breaking news in the last few months since people decided to protest or join on here. The agenda doesn’t need pushing around here - it’s a wide open door.

It’s hard to take opinions credibly or objectively when it’s the same predictable, dogmatic stuff pushing an agenda, when the debate is broader - everyone knows any way.

 

[Damo_1878]

Well let’s say it’s triggering for you so….but you are keener then the majority to take up the executioners axe for those treating the institution and absolving the PL and their agenda within this dynamic.

I think everyone knows we’re run like a manure show - it’s been long acknowledged and warned about for years on here - you haven't and aren’t breaking any new ground on here. it’s not just breaking news in the last few months since people decided to protest or join on here. They agenda doesn’t need pushing around here - it’s a wide open door.

It’s hard to take opinions credibly or objectively when it’s the same predictable dogmatic stuff pushing an agenda, when the debate is broader - everyone knows any way.

Behave Neiler

 

[catcherintherye]

The Premier League won't do that without a legal basis to do that. By statute etc.

You're telling them to intervene.

They didn't in Chelsea. The UK Government did under the Department for Digital, Culture, Media & Sport did under the Russian sanctions legislation. A very clear legal basis.

To force a board change the Premier League would need to prove wrong doing.

Such as a finding against the club at an independent commission.

They can only act after the fact.

That's a reasonable point.

They have referred the matter for investigation. They could give clarity now though and date unequivocally if any wrongdoing was found, the culprits will be held accountable, and not the supporters. They could put that statement out.

That is all I'm asking the regulator to do. Its job. If there has been financial mismanagement, punish the people who are responsible, dont try and deflect from them onto people who had no part in it.

 

[catcherintherye]

If the penalty was that the owner and board are banned from carrying out financial business on behalf of the club then I'm sure we'd (nearly) all be delighted with that.

I agree. But irrespective of how we feel, that is really the only sentence that makes any sense from a justice perspective.

 

[Damo_1878]

That's a reasonable point.

They have referred the matter for investigation. They could give clarity now though and date unequivocally if any wrongdoing was found, the culprits will be held accountable, and not the supporters. They could put that statement out.

That is all I'm asking the regulator to do. Its job. If there has been financial mismanagement, punish the people who are responsible, dont try and deflect from them onto people who had no part in it.

The Premier League dont decide guilt or punishment

The independent commission does.

Judge. Jury and executioner.

Independent of the Premier League

 

[catcherintherye]

The Premier League dont decide guilt or punishment

The independent commission does.

Judge. Jury and executioner.

Independent of the Premier League

Dont they have 2 appointed members from the PL?

I also imagine they make a recommendation, which the PL can ignore or follow.

 

[Damo_1878]

Dont they have 2 appointed members from the PL?

I also imagine they make a recommendation, which the PL can ignore or follow.

No.

The Premier League Judicial Panel invites participants to the independent commission. These members are independent to the league. Will have legal experts and financial experts on it.

Minimum of one of the commission must be legally qualified

Their terms of reference are already defined from the Premier League rulebook

Premier League make their case. Via a lawyer In hearings. Everton make theirs via a lawyer.

Then independent commission determine. Guilt. Punishment.

 

[Goat]

I mean they did sign them off. That means they accepted the content of them.

And yes, there is the possibility things get reviewed over time, and they may have made a mistake in doing so. But if a regulator, who's job it is to uphold the rules makes a mistake, I'm not entirely sure why someone trying to follow the rules is held accountable. That is a PL mistake, and whoever signed them off should be culpable.

On the final point, we can all have our opinions. But the facts remains, we submitted audited accounts, signed off by Accounting and legal specialists, who were then examined by the PL's accounting & legal specialists who stated that they were fully compliant with P&S. I will take those experts judgements over my own.

I'm not sure you can have a legal system, whereby a judge/jury can find someone innocent of a crime, and then 2 weeks later decide they want to change their mind, with no evidence changing, and just run the trial again to get a guilty verdict. That is behaviour of a tinpot dictatorship, even if the plaintiff in question was guilty.

We were never found innocent bruh.

We have only just been charged.

 

[Neiler]

Behave Neiler

What I really don’t like is all the ire on the board - yeah they are incompetent, yeah they need replacing.

But nobody in the protest movement is saying get rid of the owner, the board is the boogie man.

So Kenwright ran the club, like a sprinters backside for over a decade, we lost very little, it was a lean business, within strict budgets if we remember right - very strict budgets. That’s not me defending him it’s just a fact.

You look at the era of loss making - the change agent was the owner, year on year - yet it’s the board that’s the focus and I can’t take that seriously or genuinely.

Why isn’t the protest against the owner - why isn’t it Moshiri out, the board are just his appointees?

Because those at the head of the movement know, without him we go bust, we don’t get a stadium - so while his ownership and leadership has led to this era of loss making - there remains a collusion and tolerance with his incompetence and as such this mess we’re in, because they know we need him and are utterly dependent on him.

If there is true conviction here, its the board and the owner, yet the focus and boogie man has been the board - it’s pulling punches.

 

[catcherintherye]

No.

The Premier League Judicial Panel invites participants to the independent commission. These members are independent to the league. Will have legal experts and financial experts on it.

Minimum of one of the commission must be legally qualified

Their terms of reference are already defined from the Premier League rulebook

Premier League make their case. Via a lawyer In hearings. Everton make theirs via a lawyer.

Then independent commission determine. Guilt. Punishment.

I see. So the PL identify and pick the panel. But its definitely independent. As nothing says independence than the regulator choosing who it wants on the panel.

Sarcasm aside, that is not independent.

 

[catcherintherye]

We were never found innocent bruh.

We have only just been charged.

Well nobody gets found innocent mate, because innocence is assumed. It's the natural state.

And we have been referred not charged I believe. But yes, over the last few days we have been charged, but previously hadnt been, as up until this year, the league had felt we had complied with the rules.

We may all have our opinions on that, but they are the facts.

 

[Damo_1878]

I see. So the PL identify and pick the panel. But its definitely independent. As nothing says independence than the regulator choosing who it wants on the panel.

Sarcasm aside, that is not independent.

You're confusing the Premier League Board

With the Premier League Judicial Panel



Please remember that as a member of the league this is an organisation Everton are a part of

The Judicial Panel is set up according to the rules the League members set. Including lawyers itself.

Appointing a commission isn't like determining the outcome of the commission

The people on it are independent of the Premier League with their own day jobs. Prominent law firms and the like.

Individuals governed by codes of conduct like the Law Society etc etc

 

[Damo_1878]

What I really don’t like is all the ire on the board - yeah they are incompetent, yeah they need replacing.

But nobody in the protest movement is saying get rid of the owner, the board is the boogie man.

So Kenwright ran the club, like a sprinters backside for over a decade, we lost very little, it was a lean business, within strict budgets if we remember right - very strict budgets. That’s not me defending him it’s just a fact.

You look at the era of loss making - the change agent was the owner, year on year - yet it’s the board that’s the focus and I can’t take that seriously or genuinely.

Why isn’t the protest against the owner - why isn’t it Moshiri out, the board are just his appointees?

Because those at the head of the movement know, without him we go bust, we don’t get a stadium - so while his ownership and leadership has led to this era of loss making - there remains a collusion and tolerance with his incompetence and as such this mess we’re in, because they know we need him and are utterly dependent on him.

If there is true conviction here, its the board and the owner, yet the focus and boogie man has been the board - it’s pulling punches.

This is off topic and I'm going to decline to respond.

Please stop suggesting nonsense like I'm excited by this

I'm not. I want the best interests of Everton Football Club

Equally. I'm not blinded by delusions of victimhood or deflecting

Responsibility lies at Everton

Bill Kenwright and Denise Barrett Baxendale have as "Chairman" and "CEO" things to answer for