MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
What? Was that disallowed goal from Gabriel Jesus against Spurs a “clear and obvious error”? The one that brushed Laporte’s shoulder?
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What? Was that disallowed goal from Gabriel Jesus against Spurs a “clear and obvious error”? The one that brushed Laporte’s shoulder?
paulbefc
Player Valuation: £60m
What's new in 2019/20: Handball rule change
See the main law amendments that Premier League players and fans will need to be aware in 2019/20www.premierleague.com
Another big change is to do with the position of a player's hand/arm.
If the ball hits a player who has made their body "unnaturally bigger" then a foul will be awarded.
IFAB says that having the hand/arm above shoulder height is rarely a "natural" position and a player is "taking a risk" by having the hand/arm in that position
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It's a clear penalty.
Again, this is under the "usually" section and it also says in the clarification that "control of the ball" from the hand/arm or a "major advantage" must be gained, with an arm/hand that is not in a natural position.
So although Alli's arm was in an unnatural position, he didn't control the ball or gain any clear advantage, nor was it intentional, so by the letter of the law, it's not handball.
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No it doesn’t means I recognise that these things are subjective, everyone has a different take on things. I’m not playing semantics. You said that I’d said those things in this thread and I categorically haven’t.
The Mina tackle on Son was every bit as much of a pen as the Alli handball one was. To that end, both got away with one and the game ended level.
We got a point at home to Spurs, other than the Gomes injury, I’m not sure what everyone is so upset about.
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City gained an advantage by that happening though, which is crucial in the interpretation of the rules.
Spurs didn’t gain an advantage by the ball hitting Alli’s hand. It’s not like he took it off someone’s head.
You're putting the wrong emphasis on usually. The ambiguity is for players who have been thrown and are trying to stop themselves from landing on their head or something - it is not meant to excuse players throwing their arms up vertically for no reason, because that is unnatural.
It's a penalty. It doesn't matter if he controls the ball or gets a clear advantage or whether it was intentional, all that matters is that the arms are in an unnatural position and there's no justification for them being there.
Firstly, mina didn’t touch son. Secondly, Mina fell and wasn’t in the process of tackling, therefore it was accidental. Thirdly, son dived. On all three counts, it wasn’t a penalty.
I agree on your last point. Although spurs aren’t playing with great confidence, we totally outplayed one of the top teams in the country over the last 4 seasons and champions league finalists of last year. We were doing this even before they had son (wrongly) sent off.
Games are so so bad to watch now. Totally ruined. I don't really care that much any more. I think come next season I won't even bother watching games. Just wait for the results to come in..
A bit like championship manager back in the good old days...
A bit like championship manager back in the good old days...
Actually have a LOT of sympathy for this point of view and I admit that I'm struggling with my 'love' of the game.
However, I DON'T currently have a season ticket, so If you're remarks are serious rather than kneejerk then PM me.
paulbefc
Player Valuation: £60m
Tubey it says nothing about players being thrown anywhere near or in that clarification. As no advantage/control of the ball was gained, the handball needs to be deliberate or the arm needs to move to the ball.
Actually have a LOT of sympathy for this point of view and I admit that I'm struggling with my 'love' of the game.
However, I DON'T currently have a season ticket, so If you're remarks are serious rather than kneejerk then PM me.
I can't, it's part of a group of four of us who go. If it was just mine I'd sell it - to be honest I've StubHub'd most games this season as it is.
Genuine question: do you believe that Laporte gained control of the ball or gain an advantage when Jesus had his goal disallowed against Spurs?
bilyaletdinov_
Player Valuation: £35m
Football stinks at the minute, it’s so hard being an Everton fan
It does.
It only makes the point about advantage in terms of attacking the ball and scoring as the example. It literally says "e.g." - it's just one example. A defensive advantage is deflecting the ball away from the original angle.
It says "It is natural for a player to put their arm between their body and the ground for support when falling - having the hand/arm above shoulder height is rarely a 'natural position."
To be blunt, it's saying that "yeah, if you're ragdolled into the air, we accept there's a situation where your hands can go anywhere as you fall" - but that's all it is saying. It is not excusing just putting your arms in the air - in fact, the very reason the rule exists is for that tonight; it's a textbook definition of the change.
paulbefc
Player Valuation: £60m
No, but apparently the law isn't exactly the same for attackers as it is for defenders. I think in that case, literally any contact (from an attacker) in the build-up means a goal can't be given.
Some Pundits seem more concerned Son got sent off than our player has a horrific injury.
It's horrible to see.
It's horrible to see.
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