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paulbefc said:
The fact that no advantage was gained from the handball is the justification surely.
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No, even if that was the reason we would have seen the VAR looking at where the ball ended up or would have gone. Instead they only looked for contact between ball and arm and somehow couldn't decide if there was.
 
paulbefc said:
The fact that no advantage was gained from the handball is the justification surely.
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The contact has altered the trajectory of the ball that came off the attacking player, via a hand/arm in an illegal position. That's the defensive advantage.

It's like saying a defender saving an off target shot with his hands is fine because there's no advantage as it was going out for a goal kick - makes no sense.
 

JLW said:
Do any of us actually know the laws of the game??

I mean what defines a penalty, ball to hand deliberate handball, any contact of the hand with the ball??

Is contact in the box a penalty??
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We were speaking before the game and surely after the Brighton game, with the horrendous decision by Mason, the threshold has been reduced significantly.

Richarlison wasn't given a penalty last week alongside this week and a clear and obvious handball isn't provided, but VAR is meant to improve the game. Shambles!
 
Everton1970 said:
Wow. Theres wrong decisions given against/for teams every week, City seem to be the hardest done by, why would you think there‘s bias towards red? Firmino‘ (goal), Origi foul v Man U, The VAR have had opportunities to favour the RS. And they haven’t.
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Well I don’t particularly care about Liverpool, but what I do know is we haven’t had a single decision go in our favour all season. We’ve had penalties given for things that shouldn’t have even been reviewed, a goal disallowed for no reason and then not even reviewed, and a penalty for someone punching the ball in the box looked at by VAR 25 times and not get given. I’ve never been one to moan about decisions in the past, but this is not right.
 
They know they Ballard it up, the statement they released about not having the tv replay that showed it as blatant was appalling....
How can you implement a system yet not have as much evidence as a tv company?
 

Tubey said:
See I don't agree with this. Although I think Firmino was onside, I think they should have very specific parameters where they draw the line and if it's a centimetre over, then it's offside.

What we've learned, very quickly, is that there can be no room for subjectivity, because the officials will take any chance to come to the wrong decision, whether through incompetency or pure corruption.

I think we have to now accept that, although VAR sounded great in theory, in practice it simply doesn't work.
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Did you watch goals on sunday this morning . The line they drew was crooked. It was farcical
 
blue to the bone said:
Did you watch goals on sunday this morning . The line they drew was crooked. It was farcical
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Yeah I think it should be clarified and made simple - the furthest eligible body part counts as the point for the line, and if the technology can't draw the line properly then it should be scrapped.

I don't think it's impossible to fix VAR for that purpose. It's something that can be technologically applied with no human input if done right.

What we need is for no human input on decisions beyond the official on the pitch.
 
Tubey said:
The contact has altered the trajectory of the ball that came off the attacking player, via a hand/arm in an illegal position. That's the defensive advantage.

It's like saying a defender saving an off target shot with his hands is fine because there's no advantage as it was going out for a goal kick - makes no sense.
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You can equate it to whatever you like, it won't change the rule. All I've seen so far is the rules you posted, which stated a major advantage needs to be gained. In an attacking sense, they called a major advantage a goal or a goal-scoring opportunity. Logically, I then look for clear evidence of the denial of a goalscoring opportunity as a result of Alli's arm hitting the ball - there was none.

There was nothing about trajectory of the ball in the rules as far as I saw. Any contact, no matter how slight, would change the trajectory of the ball. What I'm pretty sure they're saying is that the ball's trajectory needs to be changed so significantly that it has a big effect on the game.
 
PhilM said:
We were speaking before the game and surely after the Brighton game, with the horrendous decision by Mason, the threshold has been reduced significantly.

Richarlison wasn't given a penalty last week alongside this week and a clear and obvious handball isn't provided, but VAR is meant to improve the game. Shambles!
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I honestly would rather just have an inept referee giving offside goals against us with no VAR than watching different angles on VAR of the incident like that handball today which by the law is a pen and they don’t give it!!

It’s beyond a shambles it’s corrupt!
Like many others I don’t get over excited or too disappointed at the results anymore.

I think supporting Everton is more of a habit than a passion nowadays.
 

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