2021/22 Frank Lampard

[Sheedy's right knee.]

Which part? The Benitez part? Look I’m not saying I like Benitez, but I’m pretty sure if you asked 1000 PL football fans who the better tactical manager is, Benitez or Lampard… 975 of them would say Benitez, and the other 25 would be Everton fans.

I don’t like the guy, but don’t pretend our blue tinted glasses don’t greatly diminish his ability as a manager just because we don’t like him.

It was a dreadful fit. He should never have been appointed. He’s not a bad manager. Just the completely wrong club.

(I actually think, however, that we’d be higher up the table if we’d kept him)

 

[Sheedy's right knee.]

Benitez had enough chances to turn things round. What are you suggesting? Sam Allardyce doing his Red Adair impression then paying him off at the end of the season. That was an utter embarrassment. Frank isn’t Benitez or Ancelloti but come rain or shine I think he’s a young manager who’s played a t a top level and I think given time we can go places with him. That’s whether we stay up or go down.

 

[PennyLane]

I am not sure you are an Everton fan. He won, one win in fourteen. ONE, he was not surviving. Or keeping us up. I will also add he was relegated with Newcastle. He was the one who helped instigate the decline. He also fell out with and sold one of our best assitors. He should never ever have been appointed.

Firstly, yes I am an Everton fan… it’s possible to have opinions that don’t quite match the go-to opinion.

I think everyone is missing my point. My point is predominately that Lampard is absolutely the wrong appointment following Benitez. I never wanted Benitez, but it’s pointless trying to re-write history re his career…he’s clearly been very successful in various jobs, NUFC fans absolutely love him for what he did for them (source…my wife and her family are Geordies), as do several other clubs fans (those down the road obviously, Napoli…). I do think he would have kept us up. But he absolutely shouldn’t have been appointed in the first place. It was never going to last with his relationship with the fans.

My main point is that Lampard is rubbish. He’s not remotely proved that he’s a manager. It was a “shot in the dark” appointment, based purely on his reputation as a player. There was some blind hope that the players would respond to him because of that, and they did in the first cup game. After that it’s been clear as day that he’s out of his depth.

As I say, Emery would have been my choice last summer (or when Benitez went). But if we couldn’t attract him there was a whole host of other options before Lampard. Potter, Wilder, Sam, Nuno. All of them have much better credentials, a history of working a collection of individuals into a team.

Tell me what has Lampard achieved to have deserved this job in the first place, and what has he achieved since, apart from overseeing the continued slide into our current predicament?

 

[street end]

Firstly, yes I am an Everton fan… it’s possible to have opinions that don’t quite match the go-to opinion.

I think everyone is missing my point. My point is predominately that Lampard is absolutely the wrong appointment following Benitez. I never wanted Benitez, but it’s pointless trying to re-write history re his career…he’s clearly been very successful in various jobs, NUFC fans absolutely love him for what he did for them (source…my wife and her family are Geordies), as do several other clubs fans (those down the road obviously, Napoli…). I do think he would have kept us up. But he absolutely shouldn’t have been appointed in the first place. It was never going to last with his relationship with the fans.

My main point is that Lampard is rubbish. He’s not remotely proved that he’s a manager. It was a “shot in the dark” appointment, based purely on his reputation as a player. There was some blind hope that the players would respond to him because of that, and they did in the first cup game. After that it’s been clear as day that he’s out of his depth.

As I say, Emery would have been my choice last summer (or when Benitez went). But if we couldn’t attract him there was a whole host of other options before Lampard. Potter, Wilder, Sam, Nuno. All of them have much better credentials, a history of working a collection of individuals into a team.

Tell me what has Lampard achieved to have deserved this job in the first place, and what has he achieved since, apart from overseeing the continued slide into our current predicament?

No there wasn’t, Potter said he wasn’t going anywhere, as if we were going to re-hire Sam, and Nuno had just been sacked by Tottenham.

 

[PennyLane]

No there wasn’t, Potter said he wasn’t going anywhere, as if we were going to re-hire Sam, and Nuno had just been sacked by Tottenham.

Nuno was sacked by Tottenham in December? So he was available, right?

And Emery?

Or perhaps last summer we should have had the foresight to hire Eddie Howe. He’s working miracles at NUFC, albeit with a decent January window.

Look…if you’re looking at Lampard and seeing anything in him to suggest he’s a manager, all the power to you, but so far I’ve seen nothing in his managerial career prior to us or since he joined to suggest he’s capable in any way.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Firstly, yes I am an Everton fan… it’s possible to have opinions that don’t quite match the go-to opinion.

I think everyone is missing my point. My point is predominately that Lampard is absolutely the wrong appointment following Benitez. I never wanted Benitez, but it’s pointless trying to re-write history re his career…he’s clearly been very successful in various jobs, NUFC fans absolutely love him for what he did for them (source…my wife and her family are Geordies), as do several other clubs fans (those down the road obviously, Napoli…). I do think he would have kept us up. But he absolutely shouldn’t have been appointed in the first place. It was never going to last with his relationship with the fans.

My main point is that Lampard is rubbish. He’s not remotely proved that he’s a manager. It was a “shot in the dark” appointment, based purely on his reputation as a player. There was some blind hope that the players would respond to him because of that, and they did in the first cup game. After that it’s been clear as day that he’s out of his depth.

As I say, Emery would have been my choice last summer (or when Benitez went). But if we couldn’t attract him there was a whole host of other options before Lampard. Potter, Wilder, Sam, Nuno. All of them have much better credentials, a history of working a collection of individuals into a team.

Tell me what has Lampard achieved to have deserved this job in the first place, and what has he achieved since, apart from overseeing the continued slide into our current predicament?

Can see where you're coming from, Lampard was the right manager for us but at the wrong time.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Benitez had enough chances to turn things round. What are you suggesting? Sam Allardyce doing his Red Adair impression then paying him off at the end of the season. That was an utter embarrassment. Frank isn’t Benitez or Ancelloti but come rain or shine I think he’s a young manager who’s played a t a top level and I think given time we can go places with him. That’s whether we stay up or go down.

He’s played at a top level and done well.

He’s managed at a top level and was underwhelming.

 

[billyblue80]

Firstly, yes I am an Everton fan… it’s possible to have opinions that don’t quite match the go-to opinion.

I think everyone is missing my point. My point is predominately that Lampard is absolutely the wrong appointment following Benitez. I never wanted Benitez, but it’s pointless trying to re-write history re his career…he’s clearly been very successful in various jobs, NUFC fans absolutely love him for what he did for them (source…my wife and her family are Geordies), as do several other clubs fans (those down the road obviously, Napoli…). I do think he would have kept us up. But he absolutely shouldn’t have been appointed in the first place. It was never going to last with his relationship with the fans.

My main point is that Lampard is rubbish. He’s not remotely proved that he’s a manager. It was a “shot in the dark” appointment, based purely on his reputation as a player. There was some blind hope that the players would respond to him because of that, and they did in the first cup game. After that it’s been clear as day that he’s out of his depth.

As I say, Emery would have been my choice last summer (or when Benitez went). But if we couldn’t attract him there was a whole host of other options before Lampard. Potter, Wilder, Sam, Nuno. All of them have much better credentials, a history of working a collection of individuals into a team.

Tell me what has Lampard achieved to have deserved this job in the first place, and what has he achieved since, apart from overseeing the continued slide into our current predicament?

One you do realise we were in utter turmoil and not many managers would have taken it at the time? Potter said in the summer he didn't want to interview for it. We weren't an attractive job considering the lack of budget the turmoil at board level and squad that was dropping like a stone. Also you do realise the other option to Lampard was Perreria? I wouldn't have chosen Lampard if I could have chosen anyone either, but of the two? Yes Lampard has been a bit tactically naive and no he didn't have a record we can again look to the board for their paucity of imagination when it came to appointing someone. But your focus on the latest manager appears to let the players, board and the recruitment off the hook both of which are bigger factors in our plummet for me. The fans have been behind him which has been a plus at home away we have carried on being chronic. Appointing a new coach on deadline day with no time to assess the squad or bring more players in wasn't helpful again that's at the feet of the board. Also I am not so certain another manager gets that many more points out of this squad with key injuries, creativity taken out and a lack of leaders. And whilst I do think you can criticise Lampard to an extent, given the fact we have had six managers in six years and regressed every time, our issues go way deeper.

 

[Sheedy's right knee.]

He’s played at a top level and done well.

He’s managed at a top level and was underwhelming.

I wouldn’t say underwhelming. We had Ancelloti, who turned us defensive. Then we had Benitez who went down the same path but the team couldnt adopt his defensive tactics. Frank comes in without their experience and yes he has had a tough time but I do believe he will try to mound a team with a long term plan playing the right way. We need to give him time to have a go as the last 2 manager where short termist. We need a longer vision and he’s a young mangager who is desperate to succeed

 

[Mr K.Dilkington]

Nuno was sacked by Tottenham in December? So he was available, right?

And Emery?

Or perhaps last summer we should have had the foresight to hire Eddie Howe. He’s working miracles at NUFC, albeit with a decent January window.

Look…if you’re looking at Lampard and seeing anything in him to suggest he’s a manager, all the power to you, but so far I’ve seen nothing in his managerial career prior to us or since he joined to suggest he’s capable in any way.

What makes you think we didn't try to get these managers? And what makes you think any of them would be daft enough to join our basket case of a club with the board as they currently are? Potter said as much over Xmas.

 

[Ron Swanson]

I wouldn’t say underwhelming. We had Ancelloti, who turned us defensive. Then we had Benitez who went down the same path but the team couldnt adopt his defensive tactics. Frank comes in without their experience and yes he has had a tough time but I do believe he will try to mound a team with a long term plan playing the right way. We need to give him time to have a go as the last 2 manager where short termist. We need a longer vision and he’s a young mangager who is desperate to succeed

Awkward… I wasn’t referring to us as the ‘top level’ lol I meant he was underwhelming at Chelsea.

Part of me begrudges him getting the job. Like we should be honoured he wanted us, rather than the other way around. I don’t think he has earned it.

 

[Sheedy's right knee.]

Awkward… I wasn’t referring to us as the ‘top level’ lol I meant he was underwhelming at Chelsea.

Part of me begrudges him getting the job. Like we should be honoured he wanted us, rather than the other way around. I don’t think he has earned it.

I think he feels honoured to manage us to be fair, I’m not sure how relevent that is though.

 

[Nymzee]

Sake have we got more invading geordies again

 

[mrb85]

He’s played at a top level and done well.

He’s managed at a top level and was underwhelming.

Well, he managed to get Chelsea a CL spot without spending in his first season in charge. His second season started off quite well too (top 4 near the end of the calendar year). Before Chelsea he got Derby County to a play off final. A neutral would probably conclude that he'd shown much promise. Indeed much more than one David Moyes in his pre-Everton days.
From amongst a limited field, I was happy with Lampard's appointment. I too though have been disappointed/underwhelmed with his performance. Improvements in results have not been as great as anticipated. Nevertheless we find ourselves in this precarious position as much because of the unexpected results achieved in recent weeks by Brentford, Leeds and, totally surprisingly, Burnley, as our own failings.
Irrespective, should we drop a division I believe he'll give us a real chance of an immediate return. But to do so he's going to have to introduce certain of the promising younger players whilst retaining only those current senior players who can provide the fight that will be needed in the Championship. A slice of the £120m-plus from the inevitable sales of Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin and Pickford would also be handy.

 

[Toffeepot]

Firstly, yes I am an Everton fan… it’s possible to have opinions that don’t quite match the go-to opinion.

I think everyone is missing my point. My point is predominately that Lampard is absolutely the wrong appointment following Benitez. I never wanted Benitez, but it’s pointless trying to re-write history re his career…he’s clearly been very successful in various jobs, NUFC fans absolutely love him for what he did for them (source…my wife and her family are Geordies), as do several other clubs fans (those down the road obviously, Napoli…). I do think he would have kept us up. But he absolutely shouldn’t have been appointed in the first place. It was never going to last with his relationship with the fans.

My main point is that Lampard is rubbish. He’s not remotely proved that he’s a manager. It was a “shot in the dark” appointment, based purely on his reputation as a player. There was some blind hope that the players would respond to him because of that, and they did in the first cup game. After that it’s been clear as day that he’s out of his depth.

As I say, Emery would have been my choice last summer (or when Benitez went). But if we couldn’t attract him there was a whole host of other options before Lampard. Potter, Wilder, Sam, Nuno. All of them have much better credentials, a history of working a collection of individuals into a team.

Tell me what has Lampard achieved to have deserved this job in the first place, and what has he achieved since, apart from overseeing the continued slide into our current predicament?

You replied to @billyblue80 without replying to him. He said relegated, and 1 win in 14. Not keeping us up
Newcastle they love him because he stayed after relegation and brought them back up. Lowered the bar to look good when he 'solves the problems', like he was doing with us. We were better before him, a lot better. That's an indisputable fact. He's gone thankfully