2021/22 Frank Lampard

[rstevens]

Can see where you're coming from, Lampard was the right manager for us but at the wrong time.

No he isnt a good manager full stop. He needs to do the actual hard yards first. Most neutral fans hate him because his arrogance of thinking he is better than smaller clubs, when he has f all experience.

 

[Toffeepot]

One you do realise we were in utter turmoil and not many managers would have taken it at the time? Potter said in the summer he didn't want to interview for it. We weren't an attractive job considering the lack of budget the turmoil at board level and squad that was dropping like a stone. Also you do realise the other option to Lampard was Perreria? I wouldn't have chosen Lampard if I could have chosen anyone either, but of the two? Yes Lampard has been a bit tactically naive and no he didn't have a record we can again look to the board for their paucity of imagination when it came to appointing someone. But your focus on the latest manager appears to let the players, board and the recruitment off the hook both of which are bigger factors in our plummet for me. The fans have been behind him which has been a plus at home away we have carried on being chronic. Appointing a new coach on deadline day with no time to assess the squad or bring more players in wasn't helpful again that's at the feet of the board. Also I am not so certain another manager gets that many more points out of this squad with key injuries, creativity taken out and a lack of leaders. And whilst I do think you can criticise Lampard to an extent, given the fact we have had six managers in six years and regressed every time, our issues go way deeper.

Only the Spurs away and Palace away games stand out to me for being tactically naive, perhaps he could've mixed it up to hold on at burnley. He's tried a lot of things to make things tick, remember, no preseason and the players are playing for him which they weren't for RB. I want to see a rebuild, where he and the squad grow together. No more 3 or 4 new players for every new manager because they want their own toys. Gotta stick with someone for a while and nothing better than a young hungry coach that's learning and not afraid to admit it, and represents the club well

 

[Gareth Gibson]

Give me Lampard, a proper football man with the hunger and desire to achieve as much as a manager as he did as a player, over any of the jesters we've had since Moyes.

Stay up or go down, we stick with this fella and build an actual team.

My sentiments exactly!

When he came in we’d accrued just 6 points from our previous 39. It was always going to be a hard job arresting such an extraordinary decline. But he has improved us, of that there is no question.

 

[Gareth Gibson]

No he isnt a good manager full stop. He needs to do the actual hard yards first. Most neutral fans hate him because his arrogance of thinking he is better than smaller clubs, when he has f all experience.

He’s managed in the championship!!

 

[Zatara]

I still blame the cart who spray painted “Lampard in” at Goodison.

? to blame for his appointment. Media driven knee jerk reaction from Moshiri after the protests.

Moshiri’s answer: I gave you what the fans wanted.

First post on here, so bear with me.

Although I was happy enough with the Lampard appointment when it happened, I think it’s been proven now to be a pretty disastrous one. His tactics are non existent, his demeanour is dreadful, he lacks any motivational ability it seems, and he’s constantly spouting “proper football manager” cliches pre and post game rather than any kind of incisive knowledge of the game. I really think he’s been dreadful in hindsight.

I disliked Benitez, and didn’t want him for obvious reasons, but the difference in ability between him and a Lampard is stark. He’s twice the tactical manager of Lampard. Just the wrong manager for this club, that’s all.

Benitez should never have been appointed, not because of his managerial ability, but because it was obvious that it was a bad fit from day one.

The players are [Poor language removed], for the most part, but our managerial choices are what has (likely) relegated us. Only hope now is some kind of miracle points swing between us and Leeds.

The Super Frankies have condemned us to a calamity of epic proportion. I can't believe we haven't pulled the trigger now being in the bottom 3 and adrift. Duncan would have had a chance, now we are toast.

Benitez, as much as dislike him as a person, has a proven track record of winning things. He started very well, but as soon as it went south a little bit, fans jumped on his back, and it was always doomed to fail. He’s clearly a good manager, just nowhere near right for this club.

Our players are rubbish for the most part. They need a good tactical manager who can train them well, guide them on the pitch, improve their fitness, and get some desire out of them.

Lampard has zero track record of anything. He’s got about as much personality as a wet sponge, and it shows in our performances I think. Limp for the most part.

We should have gone after a proven manager…an Emery (he nearly went to Newcastle after all). Or dare I say, even someone like Chris Wilder. Someone who has proven to be able to get players to perform at more than the sum of their parts.

Lampard has proven NOTHING as a manager. Apart from that he’s a “name”. He has not charisma. No noticeable tactical ability. I find him demoralising. Clearly a mistake.

I don’t doubt that match going fans would take to him, but it’s primarily because he’s not Benitez, and we don’t have a choice do we…. We have to get behind the team in the stadium or else we would go down with an even bigger whimper. I went to the Newcastle game and I agree the atmosphere was great!

But when you see past his legendary status as a player, you quickly realise that he’s a name and that’s it. There’s no discernible managerial ability. He’s just a name.

Which bit specifically?

What exactly has Lampard shown so far that tells you he’s capable of keeping us up and/or bringing us back up next year?

Which part? The Benitez part? Look I’m not saying I like Benitez, but I’m pretty sure if you asked 1000 PL football fans who the better tactical manager is, Benitez or Lampard… 975 of them would say Benitez, and the other 25 would be Everton fans.

I don’t like the guy, but don’t pretend our blue tinted glasses don’t greatly diminish his ability as a manager just because we don’t like him.

It was a dreadful fit. He should never have been appointed. He’s not a bad manager. Just the completely wrong club.

(I actually think, however, that we’d be higher up the table if we’d kept him)

I agree with you, but to replace him with Frank Lampard is an even bigger crime. We were 6 points above the relegation zone when Benitez left… we brought in an inexperienced manager with zero credentials… and now we’re 5 points adrift in the relegation zone.

Both appointments were dreadful for our situation. Pointless even debating it. The facts are there in the league position / results.

I’m not bigging him up, per se. His record was poor. But he’s clearly a capable manager, at the wrong club.

To replace him with Lampard is the bigger crime. We still had almost half the season to go.

I mean...you dont need to be Poitrot lol

 

[Zatara]

No he isnt a good manager full stop. He needs to do the actual hard yards first. Most neutral fans hate him because his arrogance of thinking he is better than smaller clubs, when he has f all experience.

Oh hello...

 

[Gareth Gibson]

I am not sure you are an Everton fan. He won, one win in fourteen. ONE, he was not surviving. Or keeping us up. I will also add he was relegated with Newcastle. He was the one who helped instigate the decline. He also fell out with and sold one of our best assitors. He should never ever have been appointed.

This.

 

[Terrarian]

Player errors/individual mistakes leading to goals has been a big factor why we haven't picked up more points, we're far and away the worst for this this season.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Firstly, yes I am an Everton fan… it’s possible to have opinions that don’t quite match the go-to opinion.

I think everyone is missing my point. My point is predominately that Lampard is absolutely the wrong appointment following Benitez. I never wanted Benitez, but it’s pointless trying to re-write history re his career…he’s clearly been very successful in various jobs, NUFC fans absolutely love him for what he did for them (source…my wife and her family are Geordies), as do several other clubs fans (those down the road obviously, Napoli…). I do think he would have kept us up. But he absolutely shouldn’t have been appointed in the first place. It was never going to last with his relationship with the fans.

My main point is that Lampard is rubbish. He’s not remotely proved that he’s a manager. It was a “shot in the dark” appointment, based purely on his reputation as a player. There was some blind hope that the players would respond to him because of that, and they did in the first cup game. After that it’s been clear as day that he’s out of his depth.

As I say, Emery would have been my choice last summer (or when Benitez went). But if we couldn’t attract him there was a whole host of other options before Lampard. Potter, Wilder, Sam, Nuno. All of them have much better credentials, a history of working a collection of individuals into a team.

Tell me what has Lampard achieved to have deserved this job in the first place, and what has he achieved since, apart from overseeing the continued slide into our current predicament?

Franks got a good home record and he showing he can change tactics and formation
Benitez did non of that.
I didn’t want Frank but he here and he’s young, don’t forget your manager got relegated before become the RS manager
Gordies like Benitez because he took on what’s his face… no other reason

 

[MrGrumpy]

One you do realise we were in utter turmoil and not many managers would have taken it at the time? Potter said in the summer he didn't want to interview for it. We weren't an attractive job considering the lack of budget the turmoil at board level and squad that was dropping like a stone. Also you do realise the other option to Lampard was Perreria? I wouldn't have chosen Lampard if I could have chosen anyone either, but of the two? Yes Lampard has been a bit tactically naive and no he didn't have a record we can again look to the board for their paucity of imagination when it came to appointing someone. But your focus on the latest manager appears to let the players, board and the recruitment off the hook both of which are bigger factors in our plummet for me. The fans have been behind him which has been a plus at home away we have carried on being chronic. Appointing a new coach on deadline day with no time to assess the squad or bring more players in wasn't helpful again that's at the feet of the board. Also I am not so certain another manager gets that many more points out of this squad with key injuries, creativity taken out and a lack of leaders. And whilst I do think you can criticise Lampard to an extent, given the fact we have had six managers in six years and regressed every time, our issues go way deeper.

How long did it take to appoint Lampard. It seemed like weeks and weeks and half the problem. Our manager searches are a pantomime where other clubs just get it done

 

[Ron Swanson]

Well, he managed to get Chelsea a CL spot without spending in his first season in charge. His second season started off quite well too (top 4 near the end of the calendar year). Before Chelsea he got Derby County to a play off final. A neutral would probably conclude that he'd shown much promise. Indeed much more than one David Moyes in his pre-Everton days.
From amongst a limited field, I was happy with Lampard's appointment. I too though have been disappointed/underwhelmed with his performance. Improvements in results have not been as great as anticipated. Nevertheless we find ourselves in this precarious position as much because of the unexpected results achieved in recent weeks by Brentford, Leeds and, totally surprisingly, Burnley, as our own failings.
Irrespective, should we drop a division I believe he'll give us a real chance of an immediate return. But to do so he's going to have to introduce certain of the promising younger players whilst retaining only those current senior players who can provide the fight that will be needed in the Championship. A slice of the £120m-plus from the inevitable sales of Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin and Pickford would also be handy.

He spent 13m and took derby from 6th to 6th. The transfer ban from Chelsea was a sham. They were banned for one window and still managed to add Christian Pulisic and Mateo Kovacic to a decent team. He got top 4 in a season where 63 points could get top 4.

While I didn’t watch his derby, I wasn’t impressed by his Chelsea. See the difference a top manager made to the same players.

I support frank, obviously, but I remain entirely unconvinced.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Nuno was sacked by Tottenham in December? So he was available, right?

And Emery?

Or perhaps last summer we should have had the foresight to hire Eddie Howe. He’s working miracles at NUFC, albeit with a decent January window.

Look…if you’re looking at Lampard and seeing anything in him to suggest he’s a manager, all the power to you, but so far I’ve seen nothing in his managerial career prior to us or since he joined to suggest he’s capable in any way.

Galtier should have been hired in the summer end of story but we didn’t we hire a useless idiot that’s put the final nails in the coffin

 

[MrGrumpy]

Well, he managed to get Chelsea a CL spot without spending in his first season in charge. His second season started off quite well too (top 4 near the end of the calendar year). Before Chelsea he got Derby County to a play off final. A neutral would probably conclude that he'd shown much promise. Indeed much more than one David Moyes in his pre-Everton days.
From amongst a limited field, I was happy with Lampard's appointment. I too though have been disappointed/underwhelmed with his performance. Improvements in results have not been as great as anticipated. Nevertheless we find ourselves in this precarious position as much because of the unexpected results achieved in recent weeks by Brentford, Leeds and, totally surprisingly, Burnley, as our own failings.
Irrespective, should we drop a division I believe he'll give us a real chance of an immediate return. But to do so he's going to have to introduce certain of the promising younger players whilst retaining only those current senior players who can provide the fight that will be needed in the Championship. A slice of the £120m-plus from the inevitable sales of Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin and Pickford would also be handy.

He was on a unbeaten run if 17 games then we beat him and it fell apart for him. He fell out with big name players and I guess he learned from that.
We had terrible Refs in the last few months some of the decisions have been bonkers. City non pen, RS non pen, Shelvey Non red card vs Newcastle , Allen red to name just a few. That’s wound be an extra few points right there.

Before that Richy off side vs Arsenal when both players had their foot on the white line, Rondon non pen vs Brentford.

You can spend hours preparing the team but you can’t account for Keanes 4 OGS, Keanes constant mistakes, Godfrey mistake vs Burnley

I’d keep him no matter what and hope he starts younger players next season

 

[Ron Swanson]

I am not sure you are an Everton fan. He won, one win in fourteen. ONE, he was not surviving. Or keeping us up. I will also add he was relegated with Newcastle. He was the one who helped instigate the decline. He also fell out with and sold one of our best assitors. He should never ever have been appointed.

To be kinder to him than he deserves, I don’t think he was responsible for NUFC going down, but he absolutely and categorically is responsible if we go down. I don’t care what trophies he won, he will likely not be topped as the worst appointment during my lifetime.

 

[Bluelenny1984]

Which bit specifically?

What exactly has Lampard shown so far that tells you he’s capable of keeping us up and/or bringing us back up next year?

I've just read back your post to see if I thought I was being a bit harsh in my post, but nope your talking drivel.

You speak of hindsight, if we all had the beauty of that we would live I a perfect world, and the assumptions you make about Frank are based on a small game sample, at a time when installing his thoughts and tactics is very difficult he's in survival mode straight away. I'm nit saying he hasn't made mistakes but it's not been as bad as you say.

And then the biggest part of your post I could level at being utter driver is to somehow compare Frank to Benitez and think Benitez did better, make no mistake about it we are where we are largely down to benitez.

There's a lot wrong with what you say I could go on and on, but finally you speak like we are already relegated, we are not, there is still games to play starting today. Not saying it looks great, I concede it's gonna be tough, but there's to many assumptions we are already toast.