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2022/23 Frank Lampard

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davek said:
That's not a happy camp down there.

Their fans are furious S'ton appointed Jones.

Ward-Prowse needs a lot of attention and we'd be mad to offer them free kicks outside our box, but if we play like last night we'll defeat them.
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Saints fans are angry, they haven’t had that new manager bounce and the Forest result was bad for them but Nathan Jones at least has them still in both cups. Palace away is a tough game for any side, that was a very good result for them today.

I think Lampard will abandon the 5 at the back and that will cost him. Even if he does go for it, I can’t see us scoring more than 1 and I don’t think a draw is enough.
 
davek said:
It's debatable whether it's better to go with continuity and allow Lampard the extra time if there's a couple of signings that can be made rather than twist again and go for someone like Dyche.

I've said before that I believe Lampard can give us a compact formation and our players competent and effective instructions to play on the counter (he's put a spanner in the works of all the top teams like United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool...beating all those barring Liverpool, but getting a draw at GP and frightening the life out of them at Anfield last season as we nearly did a smash and grab). In fact, last season's run in we had Watford away before the Palace game and Frank kept it tight that night...bizarrely for some, so he wasn't just deploying it against top teams. So the only advantage someone like Dyche has over Lampard is that we could bank on him setting up a lot more securely in all / the majority of games we have between now and the end of the season.

I'm just not convinced Dyche would handle the pressure of keeping us up (Everton comes with the expectation of being in the top flight whereas Burnley didn't have that burden for him); whereas Lampard has demonstrated that he can in the recent past.

I want a managerial change, because Lampard will not play with security in mind, but I dont believe in Dyche. ?‍♂️
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Yeah, it's definitely debateable - I think one's perception of how good/bad the squad actually plays a big part in that, I really do think Lampard would actually keep us up given additional signings. I'm thinking of the Wolves game in particular, where we opened up and there were some great chances created and then spurned - a fit, competent striker in the team and we do win that. I just don't think Lampard is actually capable of taking this team any further; for me it isn't an issue of personnel (the squad is mediocre but it's nowhere near as bad as Roy Keane would have you believe) but rather of coaching.

The way we press is a big red flag for me - it was diabolical under Benitez because the players knew they could down tools, but it hasn't improved under Lampard either. He definitely hasn't lost the dressing room judging by comments from the likes of Coady, but they seemingly don't have direction - one player (often Gordon) will press but no one then closes down the other passing lanes, or the midfield don't press up with them. You then get massive gaps and that tends to be where we concede, see the first goal last night.

Dyche meanwhile has coached it really well at Burnley for the past half decade - it went under the radar but Burnley consistently used to receive the most long balls from opposition defenders forced to boot it clear. I'll see if I can find the numbers to confirm that. That to me suggests that there are other advantages to Dyche over Lampard - he's a significantly better coach, who won't be as reliant on player acquisition. The point re: handling pressure is a fair one I think, but I think Dyche probably can - yes the expectation is lower at Burnley but it's still immense pressure being around that part of the table for several seasons.

Plenty of other excellent coaches available who could also succeed where I don't think Lampard can - that Postecoglou up at Celtic is on a 12 month-rolling deal, although I think that's far riskier than Dyche. I just think Dyche gets type-cast big time, in the same way that Howe was a soft touch hall monitor for half a decade at Bournemouth and now leading the snidest team in the league into Europe.
 
davek said:
Funnily enough, If we beat S'ton and took a point off WHU then I wouldn't be too fearful of facing Arsenal and Liverpool with Lampard as manager. He's proven he can set up a team that top teams find difficult to break down:

City
United
Arsenal
Liverpool
Chelsea

...all lost points to Lampard in his brief time here.

I dont think any incoming manager could do better against that lot than Lampard has or will (if he keeps his job).

...it's just the other 15 clubs he thinks we're better than that we'll struggle against...
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One thing I wonderd about Brighton game, was Godfrey not fit enough to play again so quickly? so forcing him into 4 at the back again
 
davek said:
It's debatable whether it's better to go with continuity and allow Lampard the extra time if there's a couple of signings that can be made rather than twist again and go for someone like Dyche.

I've said before that I believe Lampard can give us a compact formation and our players competent and effective instructions to play on the counter (he's put a spanner in the works of all the top teams like United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool...beating all those barring Liverpool, but getting a draw at GP and frightening the life out of them at Anfield last season as we nearly did a smash and grab). In fact, last season's run in we had Watford away before the Palace game and Frank kept it tight that night...bizarrely for some, so he wasn't just deploying it against top teams. So the only advantage someone like Dyche has over Lampard is that we could bank on him setting up a lot more securely in all / the majority of games we have between now and the end of the season.

I'm just not convinced Dyche would handle the pressure of keeping us up (Everton comes with the expectation of being in the top flight whereas Burnley didn't have that burden for him); whereas Lampard has demonstrated that he can in the recent past.

I want a managerial change, because Lampard will not play with security in mind, but I dont believe in Dyche. ?‍♂️
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I think the bolded bits above are the key to our survival- yes Frank can keep it tight but does he want to? If he keeps reverting as he has shown he has constantly done despite the poor results, there is no reason so far to suggest he won’t keep doing it - the football under Dyche would be industrial at best but player for player I think he has a slightly better squad than the one he has a Burnley and I think he would constantly want to keep it tight which is the best/only way of escaping at present.
 

neil999 said:
One thing I wonderd about Brighton game, was Godfrey not fit enough to play again so quickly? so forcing him into 4 at the back again
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That's almost certainly why he didn't play, they were being extra careful. He'd just played v City, cramped up and had not played before that for 5 months. That's a huge gap.

That being said, Lampard could still have kept the same shape. Put Mina or Coleman there.
 
BlueToff said:
That's almost certainly why he didn't play, they were being extra careful. He'd just played v City, cramped up and had not played before that for 5 months. That's a huge gap.

That being said, Lampard could still have kept the same shape. Put Mina or Coleman there.
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Sad state of affairs when we want to play 5 at the back at home against Brighton and play counter attack.
 

Moomin said:
Sad state of affairs when we want to play 5 at the back at home against Brighton and play counter attack.
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It is given the relative money spent, but it's also a pretty good way to play against De Zerbi's Brighton.

We did press them effectively, though. We started well and then the players just do what they do and start doing that 'half press' where some of them go, some of them don't, and it just leaves massive gaps. They picked them apart, because they're a good side.
 
BlueToff said:
It is given the relative money spent, but it's also a pretty good way to play against De Zerbi's Brighton.

We did press them effectively, though. We started well and then the players just do what they do and start doing that 'half press' where some of them go, some of them don't, and it just leaves massive gaps. They picked them apart, because they're a good side.
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Brighton's starting 11 was cheaper than Iwobi's transfer fee.
 
Peter The Dog said:
frank won't get another premier league job when he goes.

i wouldn't be surprised if he swaps football management for punditry.

i'm sure he'll be better at it.
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He needs to manage lower league clubs and learn the trade and build his way up gradually. Nothing beats experience.
 

Man Utd apology​

As they celebrated their side's second goal, a section of the Manchester United fans chanted 'Sacked in the morning' at Lampard and followed up with a familiar homophobic chant about Chelsea, the club he had a stellar playing career with.

In October, after a similar song was sung by United fans at Stamford Bridge, the club released a statement condemning the abuse, and after this latest incident they reiterated their position.

"Homophobia, like all forms of discrimination, has no place in football. Manchester United are proud of our diverse fan base and the work we have done to reduce instances like we sadly heard today," the club said.

"We will continue to campaign for inclusivity and to tackle discriminatory abuse whether inside stadiums or online. This includes working with fan groups to educate fans on the offence which discriminatory language causes."

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