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2022/23 Frank Lampard

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BlueToff said:
Yet any time he's played remotely well for us has been on the left.

I have absolutely no idea what people see in McNeil to think he's a good RW. He's played there for us plenty and been crap. And all of his most dangerous moments for us, goals included, have come when on the left.

He might 'profile' as a half-decent right wing option but he's not actually very good at it in practice.
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He's a terrible left wing. He has traits that suggest he might do OK on the right. So I'm suggesting try it since we already have useful left wings and need him to not be terrible.

I'm not suggesting it has worked, but I think it's worth trying until we get a proper right wing in.
 
BlueToff said:
I don't think he has looked particularly bad. He's not been fit and he's hardly been getting the kind of chances he thrives off when he has been fit, has he? He's a penalty box poacher and we've not got a good enough system or good enough players to get the ball into him. It doesn't help when he's always working his way back from fitness and when he's out of the team the alternative is Maupay who, through no fault of his own, is absolutely nothing like Calvert-Lewin.

Bloody hell man.
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He's not scoring under Frank though and while yes some of that is fitness I will again say that I think the decent players will look better under someone better than the awful manager.
 
TheBigIguana said:
He's not scoring under Frank though and while yes some of that is fitness I will again say that I think the decent players will look better under someone better than the awful manager.
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He's not getting the chances he does well at converting regularly enough. There's reasons for that. One is the manager's system. One is a lack of quality around him. One is the fact that Lampard has never had him fit for a run of more than 3-4 games at a time, so it's hard for anybody, Dom included, to adapt and get that positioning right, or his timings.

He's never been good at one v ones. Like I said, the goal v Palace in October is very much an exception to the rule when it comes to the types of goals he scores.
 
TheBigIguana said:
He's a terrible left wing. He has traits that suggest he might do OK on the right. So I'm suggesting try it since we already have useful left wings and need him to not be terrible.

I'm not suggesting it has worked, but I think it's worth trying until we get a proper right wing in.
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Yet when he was actually half-decent (numbers wise) at Burnley, and the only times he's looked remotely like a player for us, it's when he's been popping up or cutting in from the left wing.

We do try it. He's played on the RW for us more than he has the LW.

Lampard literally tore up what worked v City to play McNeil RW v Brighton.
 
BlueToff said:
Yet when he was actually half-decent (numbers wise) at Burnley, and the only times he's looked remotely like a player for us, it's when he's been popping up or cutting in from the left wing.

We do try it. He's played on the RW for us more than he has the LW.

Lampard literally tore up what worked v City to play McNeil RW v Brighton.
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He was never half decent at Burnley. Never.

The problem is it wasn't going to work in two months. The guys played 100 PL games in a stupid system playing a role nothing like the one a proper attacker would be in. This is of course why you shouldn't sign said player but now thats he's here you have to have a plan for how you're going to develop him. We predictably did not. That is management. Maybe not all Lampard tbf.

The City plan needed to be torn up. United showed that. Never again.

BlueToff said:
He's not getting the chances he does well at converting regularly enough. There's reasons for that. One is the manager's system. One is a lack of quality around him. One is the fact that Lampard has never had him fit for a run of more than 3-4 games at a time, so it's hard for anybody, Dom included, to adapt and get that positioning right, or his timings.

He's never been good at one v ones. Like I said, the goal v Palace in October is very much an exception to the rule when it comes to the types of goals he scores.
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The manager and his system is one you can adjust the quickest.
 

McNeil

Started games at RW
v Brighton (1-4 - absolutely dreadful)
v Bournemouth (0-3 - dreadful)
v Southampton (2-1 - he scored his goal when he switched over to LW for a time in the second half)
v Leeds (1-1 - he defended well in this game but offered nothing going the other way)
v Brentford (1-1 - played 343 - him Gray and Gordon kind of switching IIRC)
v Fleetwood (1-0 - he was pretty awful really considering the opposition, few decent moments though, did well for the goal)
v Villa (1-2 - meh)
v Chelsea (0-1 - meh)


That's nine games starting in what you say is his best position @TheBigIguana . I just don't think we've seen enough evidence he can actually cut it. It might go on to be where he plays eventually but he's so predictable down that side. At least on the left he appears to be more comfortable trying to find a yard or dropping a shoulder to drive inside like he did for his goal v Palace.

He's been crap on the LW, too, don't get me wrong. He's just been largely crap.
 
TheBigIguana said:
He was never half decent at Burnley. Never.

The problem is it wasn't going to work in two months. The guys played 100 PL games in a stupid system playing a role nothing like the one a proper attacker would be in. This is of course why you shouldn't sign said player but now thats he's here you have to have a plan for how you're going to develop him. We predictably did not. That is management. Maybe not all Lampard tbf.

The City plan needed to be torn up. United showed that. Never again.


The manager and his system is one you can adjust the quickest.
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Why do you see absolutely anything in him then? Ey?

And I said half-decent numbers wise. i.e. goals and assists, just raw basic numbers of productivity.

He's just a poor player. Decent left foot, not much else.

So hang on, you're now saying we should tear up the system? To go back to what? Iwobi's injured. We've got no creativity from midfield. Our wingers if they actually play on the wings don't have the positional sense to do anything and it leaves Dom isolated. So I go back to it - we need better players. We also need a better manager.
 
BlueToff said:
McNeil

Started games at RW
v Brighton (1-4 - absolutely dreadful)
v Bournemouth (0-3 - dreadful)
v Southampton (2-1 - he scored his goal when he switched over to LW for a time in the second half)
v Leeds (1-1 - he defended well in this game but offered nothing going the other way)
v Brentford (1-1 - played 343 - him Gray and Gordon kind of switching IIRC)
v Fleetwood (1-0 - he was pretty awful really considering the opposition, few decent moments though, did well for the goal)
v Villa (1-2 - meh)
v Chelsea (0-1 - meh)


That's nine games starting in what you say is his best position @TheBigIguana . I just don't think we've seen enough evidence he can actually cut it. It might go on to be where he plays eventually but he's so predictable down that side. At least on the left he appears to be more comfortable trying to find a yard or dropping a shoulder to drive inside like he did for his goal v Palace.

He's been crap on the LW, too, don't get me wrong. He's just been largely crap.
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It doesn't matter where he plays when he plays with no intensity
 
USABlue said:
Dom had a fantastic season when he was fit under Carlo

Sadly the injuries have taken a toll while squad quality has decreased
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He's good at what he was good at then and unfortunately still bad at what he was largely bad at (1v1s, basically).

Put it into the area for him and he'll find a way to get it on goal, quite often. We haven't done it nearly enough for him but he's also not been nearly fit enough for us.
 

BlueToff said:
Why do you see absolutely anything in him then? Ey?

And I said half-decent numbers wise. i.e. goals and assists, just raw basic numbers of productivity.

He's just a poor player. Decent left foot, not much else.

So hang on, you're now saying we should tear up the system? To go back to what? Iwobi's injured. We've got no creativity from midfield. Our wingers if they actually play on the wings don't have the positional sense to do anything and it leaves Dom isolated. So I go back to it - we need better players. We also need a better manager.
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I think we have when fit (so yeah Iwobi out hurts a lot) a team with enough PL level players to score 1 goal per game without being wide open. This is a low bar. The manager who isn't clearing it must be sacked. I'm not saying we shouldn't look to improve the team at the same time, but this manager has shown he can't hit even the most basic of targets and as such does not need more time.
 
BlueToff said:
McNeil

Started games at RW
v Brighton (1-4 - absolutely dreadful)
v Bournemouth (0-3 - dreadful)
v Southampton (2-1 - he scored his goal when he switched over to LW for a time in the second half)
v Leeds (1-1 - he defended well in this game but offered nothing going the other way)
v Brentford (1-1 - played 343 - him Gray and Gordon kind of switching IIRC)
v Fleetwood (1-0 - he was pretty awful really considering the opposition, few decent moments though, did well for the goal)
v Villa (1-2 - meh)
v Chelsea (0-1 - meh)


That's nine games starting in what you say is his best position @TheBigIguana . I just don't think we've seen enough evidence he can actually cut it. It might go on to be where he plays eventually but he's so predictable down that side. At least on the left he appears to be more comfortable trying to find a yard or dropping a shoulder to drive inside like he did for his goal v Palace.

He's been crap on the LW, too, don't get me wrong. He's just been largely crap.
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If he's going to be good that's how. He's too slow to be a left winger who tries to beat guys on the edge. I don't think it'll happen on the right wing! But do the thing that can work. Otherwise just move him to LB which has been his destiny for years. He'll do better than Mykolenko.

I'm not saying he's been good but you have to take the growing pains as he tries something new. LW he is certifiably terrible. It can't be his future.
 

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