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2022/23 Frank Lampard

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HalfTimeSayers said:
You are right, long term we can’t defend our way to European glory. It’s not a nice thought, but this team isn’t attacking their way out of trouble in the space of 4 months. No chance. Attacking or at least attractive and effective patterns and philosophies can take months or seasons to drill into even smart talented players before it becomes consistent. If it was so easy top managers would happily go to struggling teams and flip them to success all over the shop. There is a reason why all the managers historically known for keeping bad teams up played the same ugly nasty negative football, scraping points in desperation. Squads low on confidence and quality can’t implement the styles we all want. If they could they wouldn’t be crap.
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At some point you have to start. We didn't want to do it when we fired Rafael. Then Frank had to stay because we survived but he wasn't capable so we still aren't. When?
 
TheBigIguana said:
If you buy into the idea that you can't play better you just assure eventual relegation. Maybe it isn't this season, but until we try to play in a way that can score goals and win games we will always be here until we go.
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HalfTimeSayers said:
You are right, long term we can’t defend our way to European glory. It’s not a nice thought, but this team isn’t attacking their way out of trouble in the space of 4 months. No chance. Attacking or at least attractive and effective patterns and philosophies can take months or seasons to drill into even smart talented players before it becomes consistent. If it was so easy top managers would happily go to struggling teams and flip them to success all over the shop. There is a reason why all the managers historically known for keeping bad teams up played the same ugly nasty negative football, scraping points in desperation. Squads low on confidence and quality can’t implement the styles we all want. If they could they wouldn’t be crap.
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Yeah this is how I see it too. Becoming a decent attacking team comes with signings, which we might get a shot at in the summer but we have to stay up first
 

efcfanwirral said:
Yeah this is how I see it too. Becoming a decent attacking team comes with signings, which we might get a shot at in the summer but we have to stay up first
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But then we'll keep whichever manager keeps us up who won't be able to actually do it and the cycle just turns over until we eventually don't stay up.
 
Walken said:
So it's ego or greed that keeps him here. We can stop pretending he cares then
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Not sure it's either. You don't get to the top of elite sport as a player or manager without having unwaivering self belief in your abilities. Not sure that's the same as egotism. As for greed; no one of sound mind voluntarily chooses to forgo the payments they are entitled to receive as an employee. It's hardly greed.
 
TheBigIguana said:
At some point you have to start. We didn't want to do it when we fired Rafael. Then Frank had to stay because we survived but he wasn't capable so we still aren't. When?
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I’m not disagreeing the concept, but you can’t teach cack players to be good. Better than they have been definitely, they have been a disgrace. But they’ve all played football for hours a day since the age of 6 under the best coaches available with elite facilities. If they were capable of the effective attacking styles that gets you 60+ points, we wouldn’t be bottom and they wouldn’t play for current Everton.
 

HalfTimeSayers said:
I’m not disagreeing the concept, but you can’t teach cack players to be good. Better than they have been definitely, they have been a disgrace. But they’ve all played football for hours a day since the age of 6 under the best coaches available with elite facilities. If they were capable of the effective attacking styles that gets you 60+ points, we wouldn’t be bottom and they wouldn’t play for current Everton.
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You can play better while also recruiting better. It doesn't have to be one then the other.
 
Colonel Getafe said:
Not sure it's either. You don't get to the top of elite sport as a player or manager without having unwaivering self belief in your abilities. Not sure that's the same as egotism. As for greed; no one of sound mind voluntarily chooses to forgo the payments they are entitled to receive as an employee. It's hardly greed.
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It's pure ego and sheer delusion if you can't see you are causing harm with you actions at this point. It's also a very basic definition of greed to do something that causes others harm for the gain of personal wealth, in fact it might go beyond and that and be sociopathic
 

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