2022/23 Frank Lampard

[ForeverBlue92]

I am very confident he will make us a far better side over the next few seasons, but no one can do it with these attacking resources, which are totally unacceptable for a club of our stature. This is going to take time, and demanding massive improvements in one season is completely unrealistic.

I see clearly what you are trying to do to undermine the manager.

I think you're paranoid tbh.

Last season aside with the worst manager in 'istory at the helm we've finished 8th, 8th, 12th and 10th the 4 seasons prior.

Tarkowski and Coady are an upgrade on our CB's

Onana and Gana will be an upgrade on all our midfielders

Myko is an upgrade on Godfrey/Kenny

Patterson an upgrade on Coleman /Kenny

Add a CF before the windows end or a fit DCL and we should 100% be in the mix for the top half or so places.

13th-20th and Lampard is clearly not as super as you are telling me.

 

[PhilRegan]

All managers should be backed until it’s not tenable any more. It’s not difficult. Martinez was a prime example, had almost universal approval in his first season but by the end of his third season the majority wanted him out. That’s a decent chunk of time to judge any manager considering the backing he’d received to reshape the squad that he wanted. It’s the crying about a manager after two or three and results that is not helpful. The managerial instability has killed this club recently (along with our horrendous injury record and terrible recruitment). Hopefully we can move away from all those things under Lampard and Thelwell as I hoped we were doing under Carlo and Brands before that rug got pulled.

As Warwick Davies would say " that is an untenable answer Mr Benitez. You are terrible at tenable"

 

[Thomasc]

With a completely different first 11 and the worst manager of all time at the helm.

If we sign 6-8 players on top of Patterson and Mykolenko establishing themselves in the starting 11 and we are still accepting 15th-17th then whats the excuse in your eyes ?

So new players don’t take a little time to settle? You seem seriously devoid of any form of brain cells.
You are clearly setting expectations higher so you can gloat on the internet if he falls below that.

Do you have any other hobbies apart from filling the GOT Everton forum with childish attempts at self reflective glory? Such a bizarre pastime.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

So new players don’t take a little time to settle? You seem seriously devoid of any form of brain cells.
You are clearly setting expectations higher so you can gloat on the internet if he falls below that.

Do you have any other hobbies apart from filling the GOT Everton forum with childish attempts at self reflective glory? Such a bizarre pastime.

Most teams have signed a glut of players this season due to the 5 sub rule including Notts Forest, Leeds, Chelsea, Spurs, WHU therefore your argument doesn't stack up as we'll be at no less a disadvantage than half the other teams in the division.

Most of our signings are also PL experienced like Coady, Tarky, Vinegar, McNeil and potentially Gana so wont need as long to bed in as say Onana.

Nice try though ?

 

[dixiesdisciple]

The article that EFC just posted about the presser confirmed he is available.

Ah ok, thanks for the update. I guess I was just hoping that one of the media might show an interest in our new £30mil player and how Lampard would integrate him etc

 

[Thomasc]

Most teams have signed a glut of players this season due to the 5 sub rule including Notts Forest, Leeds, Chelsea, Spurs, WHU therefore your argument doesn't stack up as we'll be at no less a disadvantage than half the other teams in the division.

Most of our signings are also PL experienced like Coady, Tarky, Vinegar, McNeil and potentially Gana so wont need as long to bed in as say Onana.

Nice try though ?

We had Tarkowski, McNeill and an untried young Scottish full back who were new to the team last week, the rest was the players who nearly got us relegated. None of them particularly glamorous signings and we still don’t have a decent PL standard striker.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I really hope so mate.

I just don't get the fans who claim Lampard's super and great then in the same breath say they'll take 16th this season and we can't expect much from him lol

The math doesn't add up there !!

To be fair to me, which I usually am, I wanted him to replace Carlo. There was a thread started on who was to be our next manager, with about 15 names listed in the poll, none of which was Frank. On top of that nobody mentioned Frank as a possibility until I did. That post didn't attract a single like nor even a response. Frank just wasn't on the radar.

But even I don't believe he is a great manager. Yet. He is a fledgling with very little experience behind him compared to most of his peers in the Premier. But I wanted him because I liked what I saw at Chelsea, especially in his first season. Firstly and foremost, I liked him as a person (which I never did as a player whilst acknowledging he was top drawer). I really liked his interviews. He was honest, passionate and unassuming. Not a bit like the impression I formed of him as a player. I also liked that he was brave enough to utilise the depth of young talent coming through their academy. And he was quite successful in that first season, qualifying for Champions League and reaching the FA cup final. After a decent start he struggled for a few games the next season as he tried to integrate the array of talent that his club had purchased that close season, and I think he showed his inexperience there. But I liked the man and liked the way he wanted to play the game, and thought he'd fit in well here.

Fast forward 12 months and I haven't changed that opinion. In fact i'm even more convinced he is the right man for us. I'm honestly surprised by his passion for us. I expected that passion at Chelsea but if anything he shows even more for us. And he really get's us fans and seems to know what we want, which is why so many on here wax lyrical about him. But in terms of ability and experience he is still very much learning as he goes, and let's not kid ourselves there are going to be bumps along the way. I like what he's doing in the transfer market. There seems to be a plan to bring in players, many of them young and hungry, to suit the way he intends to play. It reminds me a little bit of Howard and the boys in the early mid 80s. A young manager and team growing and learning together.

So I agree that Frank is nowhere near the finished article yet. But i do believe he is very much the right manager for us at the moment and am genuinely excited for the future. Not necessarily this season but beyond that. I just hope the club, and the fans, give him time. If his team continue to give their all on the pitch then the match going fans will do that. It's the internet fans that are the potential prob;em.

 

[nsno_traditionally]

The only thing I took from that ridiculous press conference was that I don't think Rondon will be starting, wonder if it'll be Dele as I don't think the front 3 from last week worked at all.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

We had Tarkowski, McNeill and an untried young Scottish full back who were new to the team last week, the rest was the players who nearly got us relegated. None of them particularly glamorous signings and we still don’t have a decent PL standard striker.

As I said mate last week the Chelsea and Villa results dont mean much to me as the glut of our signings have not yet gone into the team.

Come the windows end and subsequent weeks that follow it you would imagine the starting 11 will have 5-7 additions to it on top of Patterson and Myko who weren't present much last season.

Gordon, Pickford and potentially an Iwobi or Doucoure aside every now and again it'll be Lampards own 11 pretty much and we have to start seeing progress as the season goes on.

Im not saying sack him if he doesn't get top half but we need to be in the mix for those places come game 38. If we're cut adrift in say 13th-16th then how can we say he's doing a good job ?

 

[MikeH72]

Heartwarming to see in this thread that Frank has the full support and backing of all Evertonians.

 

[davek]

All managers should be backed until it’s not tenable any more. It’s not difficult. Martinez was a prime example, had almost universal approval in his first season but by the end of his third season the majority wanted him out. That’s a decent chunk of time to judge any manager considering the backing he’d received to reshape the squad that he wanted. It’s the crying about a manager after two or three and results that is not helpful. The managerial instability has killed this club recently (along with our horrendous injury record and terrible recruitment). Hopefully we can move away from all those things under Lampard and Thelwell as I hoped we were doing under Carlo and Brands before that rug got pulled.

That manager merry-go-round was due to fans knowing that they could impose themselves on a clueless owner and the cash would be there to rip it all up and virtually start recruitment again under a new manager.

That isn't the case now.

It'll take a while for the poison to clear from the fanbase's system in that respect, but the process will be toward pragmatism and away from taking more gambles.

 

[ToffeeTim]

To be fair to me, which I usually am, I wanted him to replace Carlo. There was a thread started on who was to be our next manager, with about 15 names listed in the poll, none of which was Frank. On top of that nobody mentioned Frank as a possibility until I did. That post didn't attract a single like nor even a response. Frank just wasn't on the radar.

But even I don't believe he is a great manager. Yet. He is a fledgling with very little experience behind him compared to most of his peers in the Premier. But I wanted him because I liked what I saw at Chelsea, especially in his first season. Firstly and foremost, I liked him as a person (which I never did as a player whilst acknowledging he was top drawer). I really liked his interviews. He was honest, passionate and unassuming. Not a bit like the impression I formed of him as a player. I also liked that he was brave enough to utilise the depth of young talent coming through their academy. And he was quite successful in that first season, qualifying for Champions League and reaching the FA cup final. After a decent start he struggled for a few games the next season as he tried to integrate the array of talent that his club had purchased that close season, and I think he showed his inexperience there. But I liked the man and liked the way he wanted to play the game, and thought he'd fit in well here.

Fast forward 12 months and I haven't changed that opinion. In fact i'm even more convinced he is the right man for us. I'm honestly surprised by his passion for us. I expected that passion at Chelsea but if anything he shows even more for us. And he really get's us fans and seems to know what we want, which is why so many on here wax lyrical about him. But in terms of ability and experience he is still very much learning as he goes, and let's not kid ourselves there are going to be bumps along the way. I like what he's doing in the transfer market. There seems to be a plan to bring in players, many of them young and hungry, to suit the way he intends to play. It reminds me a little bit of Howard and the boys in the early mid 80s. A young manager and team growing and learning together.

So I agree that Frank is nowhere near the finished article yet. But i do believe he is very much the right manager for us at the moment and am genuinely excited for the future. Not necessarily this season but beyond that. I just hope the club, and the fans, give him time. If his team continue to give their all on the pitch then the match going fans will do that. It's the internet fans that are the potential prob;em.

I mentioned Lampard a lot...!

 

[MikeH72]

There’s a parallel universe where Vitor Pereira came in and we’ve just been knocked out the league cup by Rochdale this week.

 

[Death]

I really hope so mate.

I just don't get the fans who claim Lampard's super and great then in the same breath say they'll take 16th this season and we can't expect much from him lol

The math doesn't add up there !!

 

[adi dassler]

Im not disputing that mate - Big Kev Thelwell is up against it with our FFP situation.

My issue is more the manager building the team around DCL as still being our no1 striker. Even if we bring another forward in it'll likely be a 2nd choice option or someone like Cornet who's not a natural CF but can play there like Richarlison did.

DCL at present time cant string more than 2-3 games together without a niggle or "precaution" keeping him oot.

At this stage he should be 2nd choice but due to our dire finances we can't afford a quality 1st choice therefore the tough decision should have been made by the manager to put him in the shop window or someone else be it Gordon or whoever to allow us to spend.

Desperate for him to fail aren’t you, you absolute crab.