2022/23 Frank Lampard

[TheBigIguana]

You want to see progress. Simple really, just start by looking at what division we're playing in this season.

then you just might start seeing all the positive's he's managed to bring back into the club/fanbase

I think we played in the same division last season. I can check.

 

[banno]

Yes Joe Royle after Mike Walker....

Not sure they where as low a bar as last seasons. A decent team that just downed tools on Walker

 

[Swartzy]

I think we played in the same division last season. I can check.

Exactly and that's progress on where we would be playing now if your man Rafael was still staining our club.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Exactly and that's progress on where we would be playing now if your man Rafael was still staining our club.

I don't know why you're calling him my man like this is some defense of Benitez. It's actually possible to not rate either of the last two Everton managers.

 

[The Penny Blue]

Maybe because as a team they need to get to know each others game a bit more and gel.

This time last year we had
No Myko
No Coady
No Tarkowski
No Gana
No Onana
No Mcneil
No Mapauy
No Patterson
No Garner

So looking at that 90% of our first team is brand new, 12 moths ago our first choice defence we have now wasn't even at the club and neither was the manager FFS give it time.

First, RELAX. It’s just a conversation.

Second is that not the reason for tactics in the first place of which Frank has had 10 months to implement?

Seems a bit harsh to pin this on the players

 

[The Penny Blue]

Mate, you made some good points right up to this bit.

What in gods name are you trying to say here? lol

I keep going back* to the “what if” of “WHAT IF, Carlo had this squad”

 

[JLW]

First, RELAX. It’s just a conversation.

Second is that not the reason for tactics in the first place of which Frank has had 10 months to implement?

Seems a bit harsh to pin this on the players

I'm calm mate.

A bit of context needs to be taken here, he took over a squad on its knees with confidence and the damage left by Benitez.

Your tactics cant be the same when you have almost 2 different teams from the end of last season to the beginning of this, players have different technical and physical attributes so that would define how you can or cant play.
Lampard hasn't been perfect but he is for sure improving us, lets at least give him time.

For me his job started this season, last season he did what he could to get us over the line with the players he had.
This season we will be a different Everton and we are already seeing improvement.

 

[JP5]

I think it's better because Benitez was toxic. I think the squad is better because we had money to actually spend. The first one is a reflection of Frank but also isn't something that will matter forever. The second isn't really about him at all.

When you look at tactics and performances no we aren't all that much better yet. To me it is a massive last three matches before the World Cup.

Honestly I’m not sure footy is for you.

 

[BNJ1878]

Just for reference when does "he succeeded the worst manager who we all hate" stop becoming an excuse for mediocrity?

It isn't an excuse for mediocrity.

Anybody with even a basic understanding of football could see exactly what Lampard said last season: As a team we lacked bollocks.

Mr. Benitez (despite his much lauded linked in profile of success) didn't identify this and figured a couple of wingers was all that's needed.

Even though Lampard had a budget this summer, it's quite telling that our first signing was a freebie. Coady later arriving on loan was an unreal bonus.

Everton are absolutely miles away from where I want them to be. The difference for me is the foundations are looking a lot more solid than this time last year when after a pretty solid start the cracks were beginning to show and we were about to go on a disgusting run of form. In truth, the December win over Arsenal only prolonged the inevitable.

We'll progress this season, I've always maintained anywhere between in 8th-14th is where we'll end up. Never threatening Europe, never in any real danger of relagation.

That's definitely mediocre, but if you're in a hurry perhaps a project like Newcastle is more your thing.

I keep going back* to the “what if” of “WHAT IF, Carlo had this squad”

Ahhhh, that makes more sense.

The problem is, Carlo wouldn't have this squad. He'd never buy anybody with Onana or even Garner with one eye on the future. He'd spunk a load of cash on somebody like Rabiot and another 30 year old centre mid.

Lampard, Thelwell and the rest of the coaching team seem to be building something.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I think it's better because Benitez was toxic. I think the squad is better because we had money to actually spend. The first one is a reflection of Frank but also isn't something that will matter forever. The second isn't really about him at all.

When you look at tactics and performances no we aren't all that much better yet. To me it is a massive last three matches before the World Cup.

Let’s see where we are at the end of the season. I’m confident we’ll have more points. That would be tangible progress no?

 

[BlueInNZ]

Honestly I’m not sure footy is for you.

Some of us figured that out a long time ago

 

[Bilko]

Surprised to read the criticism on last few pages. Huge improvement made by Frank and his team. I don't really buy into win percentages etc. They count for little imo. See England managers win percentage record.

 

[MikeH72]

No because while I applaud Frank for being the first manager of ours to not be an idiot in that area we are still losing more than we win, having absolutely shocking performances, not stringing together good performances (here's to hoping we get to two on Saturday), have a negative goal difference and are scoring less than a goal per game. It's still pretty rancid stuff.

So just to be clear, you actually were expecting everything to improve overnight?

 

[Paul Rideout]

They are nonsense stats though. The question you have to ask is did any of those previous managers start at such a low bar and have to dig us out of the crap?

100%

What I get out of these stats is that: Mike Walker truly was dreadful; Carlo did well with moderate players but took no care to look after the future; FSW did nothing but accelerate the demise & Frank had to play half a season with that team that was destined to go down.

Interesting that he (Frank) is largely above Walter in the stats as is, will be interesting (and only really of any indication at seasons end (because more than half Franks stats were with someone else's dire team) as to how he's doing).

Put it this way - how many of those managers stats have had to play over 50% of their fixtures with someone else's team?

"Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics" - Disraeli (quote attributed to him by Twain) (and I did at least 3 modules on Econometrics at uni)

 

[COYBL25]

So just to be clear, you actually were expecting everything to improve overnight?

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