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2022/23 Frank Lampard

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10 games then. Still a long run and wasn't until he got some cash did they turn it around consistently as he bought a new backline

There's not really much point arguing about Howe. He's doing a great job and would probably have been a good choice here. But what he does at Newcastle isn't relevant to us and certainly isn't an argument for us to make another sacking.

We need to hold our nerve this year and accept there will be bad results, and probably far more than I will ever be happy with. What we cannot allow however is such timid and lethargic performances at home like Saturday. If we don't start improving our home form, then Lampard will eventually run out of time, even though I do think he is the right manager at the right time.

Saturday is a chance to relieve the pressure, but I doubt our players can cope with the pressure. I have very low expectations because it's a game these players find ways to lose.
 
There's not really much point arguing about Howe. He's doing a great job and would probably have been a good choice here. But what he does at Newcastle isn't relevant to us and certainly isn't an argument for us to make another sacking.

We need to hold our nerve this year and accept there will be bad results. What we cannot allow however is such timid and lethargic performances at home like Saturday. If we don't start improving our home form, then Lampard will eventually run out of time, even though I do think he is the right manager at the right time.

Saturday is a chance to relieve the pressure, but I doubt our players can cope with the pressure. I have very low expectations because it's a game these players find ways to lose.

Absolutely. We're a completely different set of circumstances.

Newcastle had a side who fought relegation battles before, brought in a manager with a point to prove, gave him money.

We were dead with no funds with a fragile team.

It'll be up and down but there's enough solidity to stay out of relegation.
 
What do you mean a winning run 'again' though? The last time we won more than 2 consecutive games was in February/March 2021. It's all very well people saying we're only 6 points off 8th, but since that last winning run (of a massive 3 games) ended, we've taken 66 points from 63 games. Unless we improve significantly on that overnight, it's basically going to take us 6 games to even get that 6 points, I don't know why people keep making out like it's likely to be wiped out in no time. We really haven't been unlucky either, there's not a single one of our recent games that we haven't won when we deserved to.
I am old but sure we were unbeaten in 6 until NP got injured, ok that includes draws but was still unbeaten run :)
 
Whys there this rhetoric that we had 30m to spend on a forward? We are paying all our summer deals in drips.

Mcneil cost of 4m up front. It's pointless saying we could have combined his and Maupays fees and bought a 30m striker because the selling club has to accept staggered payments because we didn't have 30m to spend up front. It's what made the cornet deal fall through.

We maybe scraped 30m up front in the summer for all our signings, let alone for 1 striker.
 

Whys there this rhetoric that we had 30m to spend on a forward? We are paying all our summer deals in drips.

Mcneil cost of 4m up front. It's pointless saying we could have combined his and Maupays fees and bought a 30m striker because the selling club has to accept staggered payments because we didn't have 30m to spend up front. It's what made the cornet deal fall through.

We maybe scraped 30m up front in the summer for all our signings, let alone for 1 striker.
The fact we had limited money, and had to sell first isn't the point. The point is that the two attacking players we did sign are not good enough to play for a club of our standing. The money could have been far better spent on better players who actually carry a goal threat. Unless we sign proper goalscorers then we continue on our spiral towards eventual relegation.
 
Whys there this rhetoric that we had 30m to spend on a forward? We are paying all our summer deals in drips.

Mcneil cost of 4m up front. It's pointless saying we could have combined his and Maupays fees and bought a 30m striker because the selling club has to accept staggered payments because we didn't have 30m to spend up front. It's what made the cornet deal fall through.

We maybe scraped 30m up front in the summer for all our signings, let alone for 1 striker.

Could've sold Gordon and upped the initial installment on a better player maybe
 
The fact we had limited money, and had to sell first isn't the point. The point is that the two attacking players we did sign are not good enough to play for a club of our standing. The money could have been far better spent on better players who actually carry a goal threat. Unless we sign proper goalscorers then we continue on our spiral towards eventual relegation.
I agree, we need better. I don't think maupay was ever signed to be playing as much as he has had to though. He was a back up forward. Unfortunately DCL isn't cutting it and the wingers aren't providing and are pretty dreadful. Gordon has been a massive flop after all the hype. Im hoping that FFP should start to be a bit better for us and we can go out in January and actually start to spend a bit more money again to fix it.
 
Just to let you know something.

@Saint Domingo said he would stop supporting us if Eddie Howe was made manager last year.

Being done with Everton and stopping supporting them are not the same thing.

Also yeah I don’t really like Eddie Howe, I stand by the comment I made, he bends over every single time for the kopites and he’s probably readying a 50 million pound bid for Curtis Jones as we speak.

He’s had a few good months at Newcastle but it all went sour for him at Bournemouth by the end and he was rubbish at Burnley.

The Newcastle squad was never that bad a squad quality wise and they’ve added very good players. He’d have to be completely hopeless to fail there when the owners have bought you a watertight ready made back 5, added one of Brazil’s best midfielders, and you’ve got an array of 30 million pound striking options to pick from.

He’s doing better than i thought he would at the moment but I still don’t think he’d be good for Everton. Some of this lot can’t pass a ball accurately over five yards. Implementing a passing style is very different when you have Guimaraes running it than when you have Gueye, carthorse Doucoure and Seamus Coleman trampolining it off their shins.
 

I am old but sure we were unbeaten in 6 until NP got injured, ok that includes draws but was still unbeaten run :)
Yes 6 unbeaten, but that wasn't a winning run. Even using that as the example, it took us 5 games to get 7 points, so by the time we made up the 6 point gap you were talking about, it's quite likely that the teams above would have picked up more points than us and so the gap would actually have grown. The point I'm making is that although people keep talking about the last couple of games as if they can be isolated as an uncharacteristic bad patch that we're bound to come out of, our relegation level form has been ongoing for more than 18 months now. Lampard isn't to blame for where we find ourselves as a club, but he's the one tasked with improving things, and it's time for him to start showing he can do it.
 
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Yes 6 unbeaten, but that wasn't a winning run. Even using that as the example, it took us 5 games to get 7 points, so by the time we made up the 6 point gap you were talking about, it's quite likely that the teams above would have picked up more points than us and so the gap would actually have grown. The point I'm making is that although people keep talking about the last couple of games as if they can be isolated as an uncharacteristic bad patch that we're bound to come out of, our relegation level form has been ongoing for more than 18 months now. Lampard isn't to blame for where we find ourselves as a club, but he's the one tasked with improving things, and it's time for him to start showing he can do it.
What's concerning the most is he has an experienced backroom team behind him and none of them are finding solutions at the moment. You can moan about players all you want but 5/6 of these are Lampard/Thelwell buys. We do need to stick by a manager but it's hard to deny that I thought we might see a little bit more by now, even if it was just a basic team shape.
 
Eddie Howe didn't win a single game in 13. Spent £100+mill in January correctly to get those 39 points.

He's currently spent £200mill in total without gutting the squad, losing key players, and bought very well. He's also has been an established manager since 2008.

Lampard has lost 10 squad players, 1 key goalscorer, and spent a net of £20million to bring in 8 new players and rebuild.

The 2 are completely different.
Are really going to say he 'lost' 10 squad players, as if the likes of Gomes, Tosun and Gbamin going was a major hardship?
I agree, we need better. I don't think maupay was ever signed to be playing as much as he has had to though. He was a back up forward. Unfortunately Dominic Calvert-Lewin isn't cutting it and the wingers aren't providing and are pretty dreadful. Gordon has been a massive flop after all the hype. Im hoping that FFP should start to be a bit better for us and we can go out in January and actually start to spend a bit more money again to fix it.
I would be very surprised if Maupay agreed to come here expecting to play less than he has. He's played 102 league games in 3 years at Brighton, starting most of them. I can't imagine that he came here thinking he was just going to get the odd run out off the bench once a month.
 
Lampard needs to up his game, most shots against, least shots for, least goals, not going to win many games playing that way
The football football is dire and we don't look to have a plan B.
He can't live on last season keeping us up for ever needs to prove he is the man for the job.
 
It's the cut-throat business of football - 2 games ago we were cruising against Palace, playing some lovely football and everyone is happy, we then followed that with a decent point to a tough Fulham side. One poor performance against Leicester changes everything and feels like Bournemouth is a big game for him.

Everything is so congested in the bottom half atm - one or two defeats can leave you tumbling down the table pretty quickly.

My main issue is that our underlying stats aren't the best and eventually these things will catch up with you. Hopefully we can beat Bournemouth and gives us a bit of breathing space before coming back and hopefully strengthening the squad again.
 

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