from my cold dead hand

[Welton Toffee]

Guns are for bad men.

 

[TX Bill]

sorry to nit pick TX, would you then confine firearms to the insides of houses and 'game' (deer, pheasant, rabbit) shooting areas only, and then implement penalties for individuals found with a gun in their car, on the street, in a school, in a park, in a restaurant.

whats the deal with assault rifles? what enemy in your home could excuse the use of an M16 assaut rifle? as for deer (venison) killed with an M16 assault rifle i couldnt tell you how it tasted.

I wouldn't confine LEGALLY owned firearms at all. If you are a law abiding citizen, and have obtained your gun through legal channels, then why would we need gun control?

It's those who are committed to illegal acts where guns are a problem.

Some people are gun enthusiasts. Some people like to shoot guns for fun, sport, hunting, etc.... Shotgun, pistol, assault rifle, they're all the same. Some people only want a gun for home protection and to know that they can get to it if need be. I fall into the latter camp as I'm not an enthusiast.

Believe it or not, I'm not a big fan of shooting guns. I have a good friend that likes to go to the range every so often and he also competes in shooting (pistol) competitions.

But with a wife and kids, it's nice to know, and gives me peace of mind that in the very miniscule chance that someone decides to rob my home and threaten the lives of my family, that I have a chance to defend us.

 

[TX Bill]

whats the death toll on americas roads? and how many of the killers behind the wheel were drunk or on drugs?

it only takes a second to make a bad decision, once the trigger is pulled there is no way back, no reincarnation.

the self defence line is one i personally baulk at, its preying on peoples fears, is there a statistic on how many pensioners/elderly own/buyhave guns and what that area of society contribute toward the gun statistics.

i mean, if vera and ed dont have the eye sight to be able to drive, do they still get to wield firearms with intent?

Sorry but I'm not following you here.

I don't know what driving deaths have to do with the subject of gun control.

Funny as I was reading an article the other day about a guy who was tired of being burglarized so he bought a gun to protect himself and his posessions. Sure enough, some idiot tried to rob his home at 2AM and the homeowner woke up and scared him off with a few shots.

If the gun control advocates had their way, he'd never be able to own a gun in the first place and wouldn't have the opportunity to defend himself in his home.

They'd probably say something asinine like, "Use a baseball bat."

Of course then someone would go crazy like the guy in the article that started this thread and use a baseball bat to kill. Then we'd be hearing about baseball bat control and how if there weren't as many baseball bats in society, we'd not have near the amount of baseball bat crimes committed.

 

[chicoazul]

You see, I can see Bill's point of view there. He's a victim of the system by needing/wanting a gun to protect his family.

I would happily endorse Grenade Launchers if it meant protecting your family.

Its like the wild wild west.

 

[SuitsBlue]

oh dear

oh dear oh dear.

i'll tackle the guy being burglarized first, so he fired a few shots? where? and what if the burglar had also been armed with a legally acquired gun and decided to return fire?

shoot out at the o k coral.

merde.

second issue, baseball bats, efficient killing machines are they, hide one in your pocket or on an ankle holder. I wonder how long it would take to batter 6 people to death with a baseball bat, and what the last five would be doing whilst you beat the first person to death.

come on man, to compare a sports bat with a firearm is i have to say a little silly, and then to take that silliness and fabricate a potential line of thought regarding bats in society is disingenuous and i find somewhat condescending.

 

[SuitsBlue]

i mentioned road deaths because not all will have been accidents, so there fore the individuals involved are criminals.

its the bracketing of criminality and criminal intent that belies your point about ''bad people will do whatever regardless of fewer guns''

 

[TX Bill]

oh dear

oh dear oh dear.

i'll tackle the guy being burglarized first, so he fired a few shots? where? and what if the burglar had also been armed with a legally acquired gun and decided to return fire?

shoot out at the o k coral.

merde.

second issue, baseball bats, efficient killing machines are they, hide one in your pocket or on an ankle holder. I wonder how long it would take to batter 6 people to death with a baseball bat, and what the last five would be doing whilst you beat the first person to death.

come on man, to compare a sports bat with a firearm is i have to say a little silly, and then to take that silliness and fabricate a potential line of thought regarding bats in society is disingenuous and i find somewhat condescending.

As did I with your original post.

You post with comments like that, please be prepared next time instead of giving me the old "guns kill people" routine.

 

[SuitsBlue]

You see, I can see Bill's point of view there. He's a victim of the system by needing/wanting a gun to protect his family.

I would happily endorse Grenade Launchers if it meant protecting your family.

Its like the wild wild west.

i can see the point also, but it is somewhat over the top, what are the laws regarding dogs in america? specifically the manic insane breeds that tear childrens throats out?

perhaps instead of harbouring a climate of fear:- "own a gun or your families not safe", try to prevent the need to protect your family by addressing the social problems that are the causes of criminality.

 

[SuitsBlue]

As did I with your original post.

You post with comments like that, please be prepared next time instead of giving me the old "guns kill people" routine.

i dont quite follow you.

as for the thread starting, "some whack job goes crazy, has access to guns and now people are dead"

would it be as much of a story if he had got behind the wheel of a truck or car and purposefully rode over people - probably not.

is there hysteria about guns? only when they are in the wrong hands, and last time i checked human beings werent produced with barcodes on them stating who is valid to own a hand held killing machine and who isnt.

prevention is better than repair.

 

[chicoazul]

Fair play Suits but you can only adapt to the environment you are in, I dont agree with the gun laws in America but I would deffo have a gun if it meant protecting my family in my house.

Maybe its a cultural attitude thing. Perhaps, as normal, Im spouting a load of gash.

 

[TX Bill]

oh dear

oh dear oh dear.

i'll tackle the guy being burglarized first, so he fired a few shots? where? and what if the burglar had also been armed with a legally acquired gun and decided to return fire?

shoot out at the o k coral.

merde.

second issue, baseball bats, efficient killing machines are they, hide one in your pocket or on an ankle holder. I wonder how long it would take to batter 6 people to death with a baseball bat, and what the last five would be doing whilst you beat the first person to death.

come on man, to compare a sports bat with a firearm is i have to say a little silly, and then to take that silliness and fabricate a potential line of thought regarding bats in society is disingenuous and i find somewhat condescending.

Hyperbole at it's best.

You really think that we have running gun battles over here on daily basis. Take a page from Chico's book and don't believe everything you see in the media, especially in the US media as they're always pushing an agenda.

Take guns away and the problem goes away, or so says the left. I'll stop with the "silliness" of baseball bats when those on the left stop with the "silliness" of gun control and the myth that gun control will create a safer society.

You're typical of the left in your initial post in this thread. You take an isolated incident, portray it as something that happens daily, and then try to make arguments to support your theories based on that random act of violence vs. what really happens in daily living.

Hell, if we really want to go there, the next time a plane crashes, I'll post a link with an accompanying quote saying that you should never fly in a plane cause planes can crash. One random event doesn't an epidemic make.

 

[chicoazul]

Am I left or right?

 

[SuitsBlue]

there is method to the madness, i can understand the need to protect ones family and possessions. does it stop at the door though? can a gun owner conceal a weapon on their person and walk out of their house without anyone knowing? then what is it? the gun isnt in the house, its not being used to protect the family.

the family excuse is exactly that, an excuse. i wonder what the stats show with regards gun incidents in the home compared with gun incidents outside of the home.

 

[TX Bill]

i can see the point also, but it is somewhat over the top, what are the laws regarding dogs in america? specifically the manic insane breeds that tear childrens throats out?

perhaps instead of harbouring a climate of fear:- "own a gun or your families not safe", try to prevent the need to protect your family by addressing the social problems that are the causes of criminality.

To my knowledge, no one (not even the cold hearted, evil conservatives) are using fear to get people to own guns. I've never seen anything directly or even implied in this country saying that "your families aren't safe if you don't own a firearm." You may have been exaggerating there just to make your point but it more or less comes down to the right to own one.

I own one for peace of mind, simple as that. I don't ever anticipate using it and hope I never have to.

Don't know anything about the laws where dogs are concerned so I can't even begin to hazard a guess but if I were to guess, I'd say that it's probably not a good thing to be breeding pitbulls. Don't think they make good pets.

 

[SuitsBlue]

Hyperbole at it's best.

You really think that we have running gun battles over here on daily basis. Take a page from Chico's book and don't believe everything you see in the media, especially in the US media as they're always pushing an agenda.

Take guns away and the problem goes away, or so says the left. I'll stop with the "silliness" of baseball bats when those on the left stop with the "silliness" of gun control and the myth that gun control will create a safer society.

You're typical of the left in your initial post in this thread. You take an isolated incident, portray it as something that happens daily, and then try to make arguments to support your theories based on that random act of violence vs. what really happens in daily living.

Hell, if we really want to go there, the next time a plane crashes, I'll post a link with an accompanying quote saying that you should never fly in a plane cause planes can crash. One random event doesn't an epidemic make.

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