from my cold dead hand

[chicoazul]

As with Britain, the media has to account for.

Good old scare mongering with stories of your imminent demise. Apportioning blame.

All so you stayed tuned til after the break/buy the publication the following day.

The end of the world is nigh.

 

[TX Bill]

there is method to the madness, i can understand the need to protect ones family and possessions. does it stop at the door though? can a gun owner conceal a weapon on their person and walk out of their house without anyone knowing? then what is it? the gun isnt in the house, its not being used to protect the family.

the family excuse is exactly that, an excuse. i wonder what the stats show with regards gun incidents in the home compared with gun incidents outside of the home.

We do have concealed handgun permits available to those who qualify (i.e. no criminal record) and go through the proper training. I personally don't feel the need to have that permit.

Now, that said, I do keep a gun in my car illegally. Why you ask? Because heaven forbid I break down somewhere, I'd like to know that if someone wants to take advantage of that situation, I'd be able to defend myself. So it wouldn't be to defend my family. Just me.

The main concern I have with having a gun in the home is if you have children in the home. It makes sense to have the gun in a hard to reach or hidden place so a child can't stumble upon it or even find it if looking for it. Anytime a child is shot in the home like this, it get's played up in the media as if it happens all the time. It doesn't but that doesn't mean homeowners shouldn't take steps to avoid accidents. Keep the gun in one place and the ammo in another easy to reach (for adults) place. But keep 'em separate.

 

[TX Bill]

Am I left or right?

How about right down the middle.

Good 'ole moderate Chico.

 

[chicoazul]

Be honest now:

Do you sometimes pose in the mirror when no ones in, holding the gun sideways a-la-Tarrantino and pulling postures.

I well would.

 

[TX Bill]

As with Britain, the media has to account for.

Good old scare mongering with stories of your imminent demise. Apportioning blame.

All so you stayed tuned til after the break/buy the publication the following day.

The end of the world is nigh.

But those are the stories that sell ad space and newsprint. No one cares to read a story about without some sizzle to it. And someone going off kilter and shooting multiple victims sells. The stories about a crime thwarted by a gun rarely make the news. Why? Who cares? That and it doesn't serve the MSM's political agenda.

 

[chicoazul]

How about right down the middle.

Good 'ole moderate Chico.

Thanks mate. Sitting on the fence is the way forward.


Now tell me, where has all this angst come from? Are you due on?

 

[TX Bill]

Be honest now:

Do you sometimes pose in the mirror when no ones in, holding the gun sideways a-la-Tarrantino and pulling postures.

I well would.

Never have.

I only actually handle my gun maybe at the most, twice a year.

(and more like Charlie's Angels... )

 

[TX Bill]

Thanks mate. Sitting on the fence is the way forward.


Now tell me, where has all this angst come from? Are you due on?

Due on?

Dunno but Suits asked me the same question yesterday.

Couldn't tell ya.

 

[chicoazul]

Any of you [Poor language removed] pricks move, and I'll execute every motherfucking last one of ya.

 

[TX Bill]

*frozen

 

[atrottel]

TX Bill, I like the way you are cherrypicking your answers.

One last time before I give up on your threads once again. Do you accept that the deaths per head which can be attributed to firearms (homicide, accidental, suicide) are much lower in western Europe than they are in the USA?

And, if so, what would you say the reason for that was?

By the way, I've been particularly careful about your feelings since you last threw the teddies out the pram, and have made an especial effort not to disrespect your religion, country or beliefs in this thread. But it's hard to keep to that when you start laying into everyone that has a different opinion to you as leftist idiots who don't know or think about anything. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

 

[chicoazul]

I may have been having a Tarrantino moment there.

 

[TX Bill]

TX Bill, I like the way you are cherrypicking your answers.

One last time before I give up on your threads once again. Do you accept that the deaths per head which can be attributed to firearms (homicide, accidental, suicide) are much lower in western Europe than they are in the USA?

And, if so, what would you say the reason for that was?

By the way, I've been particularly careful about your feelings since you last threw the teddies out the pram, and have made an especial effort not to disrespect your religion, country or beliefs in this thread. But it's hard to keep to that when you start laying into everyone that has a different opinion to you as leftist idiots who don't know or think about anything. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

Believe me, I take it all the time as I'm usually a minority on these boards (and others) when it comes to my beliefs. That's nothing new.

So, let me be very careful as well in my response.

With 300 million people and the right to own firearms, yes, I'd say we're bound to have more gun deaths, accidental or otherwise.

But that's a strawman argument and you know it. This issue isn't the amount of deaths that have occurred. The argument is if gun control will make a difference. Guess what? It hasn't in Europe and it won't in the USA either.

Left wingers refuse to see this and believe that they've actually reduced gun deaths with these so called "controls." I don't need to call leftists "idiots" Atrottel. They do a fine job themselves. Only someone on the left would think that gun control is the answer and that the criminals would no longer be able obtain firearms under such laws. Utopia indeed.

I don't know what makes you think I'm cherrypicking my answers but feel free to point out where I've done this. In the meantime, feel free to respond to how European gun controls have done nothing to stem the tide of gun related crime.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=105002026

 

[chicoazul]

So, to conclude: Guns don't kill people, Rappers do.

I saw this on a documentary on BBC2.


And they all lived happily ever after.

THE END

credits*

 

[SuitsBlue]

Hyperbole at it's best.

You really think that we have running gun battles over here on daily basis. Take a page from Chico's book and don't believe everything you see in the media, especially in the US media as they're always pushing an agenda.

Take guns away and the problem goes away, or so says the left. I'll stop with the "silliness" of baseball bats when those on the left stop with the "silliness" of gun control and the myth that gun control will create a safer society.

You're typical of the left in your initial post in this thread. You take an isolated incident, portray it as something that happens daily, and then try to make arguments to support your theories based on that random act of violence vs. what really happens in daily living.

Hell, if we really want to go there, the next time a plane crashes, I'll post a link with an accompanying quote saying that you should never fly in a plane cause planes can crash. One random event doesn't an epidemic make.

i suspect you might know where to look, how many gun deaths per day in the states?

less guns on streets equates to less gun deaths in my opinion. no wolves in europe anymore, hunted to extinction. no wolf deaths since.

I dont profess to know what happens in daily living, what i will say is that the incident is yet another in a long line and yet more innocents suffer.

As for your point about planes, that isnt fair, it is very rare that a plane crashes on purpose, so the vast huge majority are accidents. people dont fall over and slip their hand onto a gun and pull the trigger and kill someone, carrying a gun is a signal of intent.