Game Of Thrones Television series *may contain spoilers*

[Zezti]

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The whole story is littered with far worse relationships than that of Jon 'Aegon Stark-Targaryen' Snow and Daenerys Targaryen.

A lot of people are judging Jon and Daenerys based on modern western views about inter/intra family marriage. These views do not exist in this world. This has been shown time and again on screen.


The whole series is about how Jon '[Poor language removed] son' Snow and orphan-Daenerys 'sold off to the Dothraki horde' have basically fought and clawed their way back to existence and meaningful power following their families destruction.

Much like the Targaryens and the Starks as a whole. Having been all but destroyed.

Having to band together to defeat a common enemy. There is some symmetry both in how they have developed but also they compliment each other. Daenerys is headstrong and more likely to fight first ask questions later. Snow more likely to negotiate then fight if he has to.

It unites two powerful kingdoms together. It rights the wrong of Rhaegar - Lyanna.

There is also divine intervention at play as well. Potentially that which destroyed Rhaegar - Lyanna in the first place and/or the Starks & Targeryns houses.

Its about death and rebirth. Much like the War of the Roses.


Also about how the Starks and Targaryens compliment each other very well. The Starks get more powerful in Winter as an illustration by their reemergence. This point has not been emphasised on screen. But for instance they dismissed the Tyrell army as 'children of summer' early in the series that simply wouldn't survive in the Winter-North.


Think Season 8 is going to be a roller coaster.

A big question-mark is about the Sand Snakes of Dorne and/or Yara and the Ironborn. Neither of which is actually 'on screen dead'.


Plus the Golden Company on their way from Essos. The Golden Company is a genuine threat. Yet to be shown on screen.

A big thing is about how they never break a contract.



Cersei has once again shown herself to be the most ruthless person alive.

These types of people usually have a spectacular fall. In real and fictional histories.

Live by the sword. Die by the sword.


The biggest questionmark is what is Tyrion Lannister up to. What did he say to Cersei to agree. Does he know of her betrayal?

What are his motivations. He seemed earlier in the season to actually be promoting a union of Daenerys and Jon Snow. For political and other reasons.

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True about it being less taboo but I think it is still considered somewhat 'wrong' over there, given some of the words directed toward Jaime and Cersei. Granted that could have been because of the need for the children to appear as legitimate heirs to the throne. I cant recall any incestuous relationships that were socially accepted, though.
If the fact is accepted despite lack of solid proof, it could damage Jon's standing with the lords of the north. It was mentioned in the finale about how the north suffered under the hands of the last Targaryen ruler(s) and their dragons.

Once they learn of Cersei's betrayal (through Jaime?), they should just jib off to Essos imo. Evacuate as much of the north as possible through White Harbour and what is left of their fleet then leave Cersei and her Golden Company to fend for itself. That'd be the smartest play.

 

[Zezti]

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How is Aunt nephew weirder than brother sister???????

You are a freak!!!

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How is it not?????

 

[Kenshin]

Spoiler: So....

a song of ice and fire?

Aegon targaryian is born of both the ice of stark and fire of targaryian.

He is the Prince who is promised and clearly will be the main character now more than ever. My guess is that he will sacrifice himself to kill the night king and end the war by the end of season 8.

Which leads into his song of ice and fire, the song about how he saved everyone from the dead. The Prince born of both who sacrificed himself

 

[Wizard]

I'm a massive nerd for this series mate so it was fun having a bit of lively debate about it!

Me too. Happy to disagree over things as it's all opinion at the end of the day. Look forward to the next debate but unfortunately it sounds as though it won't be until 2019 which is pretty depressing...

 

[mccole]

Spoiler: Spoiler hopefully

When are we going to see White Walker Hodor?

 

[bizzaro]

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True about it being less taboo but I think it is still considered somewhat 'wrong' over there, given some of the words directed toward Jaime and Cersei. Granted that could have been because of the need for the children to appear as legitimate heirs to the throne. I cant recall any incestuous relationships that were socially accepted, though.
If the fact is accepted despite lack of solid proof, it could damage Jon's standing with the lords of the north. It was mentioned in the finale about how the north suffered under the hands of the last Targaryen ruler(s) and their dragons.

Once they learn of Cersei's betrayal (through Jaime?), they should just jib off to Essos imo. Evacuate as much of the north as possible through White Harbour and what is left of their fleet then leave Cersei and her Golden Company to fend for itself. That'd be the smartest play.

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Bran says though. It was all based on a lie.

Formented by Robert Barathon and/or the Mad King's unpopularity.

The mad king didn't go mad until the rebellion.

Also it was 'the faith of the seven' that did not approve of incest. Not the first men. The faith militant were put down for this also the first time. They don't exist now as Cersei went all Mad King and burned them all.

Although in this case it can't really be considered as Jon looks entirely like Lyanna. Rather than Rhaegar.

It's more like him marrying a cousin. Common in middle ages.

 

[Efcjake]

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Bran says though. It was all based on a lie.

Formented by Robert Barathon and/or the Mad King's unpopularity.

The mad king didn't go mad until the rebellion.

Also it was 'the faith of the seven' that did not approve of incest. Not the first men. The faith militant were put down for this also the first time. They don't exist now as Cersei went all Mad King and burned them all.

Although in this case it can't really be considered as Jon looks entirely like Lyanna. Rather than Rhaegar.

It's more like him marrying a cousin. Common in middle ages.

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In the books the Mad King was already well onto his way to going mad. Ned's brother and father were not the first people he had had burned alive. Varys had been plotting to overthrow him and install Rhaegar for the good of the realm before he literally went and cocked it all up and caused this rebellion.

I also don't know about your "faith of the seven don't approve of incest" considering The Targaryens took the faith of the seven shortly after conquering and remained incestuous for centuries under the faith of the seven. You're right to say the High Sparrow and the Faith Militant were against it though.

 

[bizzaro]

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In the books the Mad King was already well onto his way to going mad. Ned's brother and father were not the first people he had had burned alive. Varys had been plotting to overthrow him and install Rhaegar for the good of the realm before he literally went and cocked it all up and caused this rebellion.

I also don't know about your "faith of the seven don't approve of incest" considering The Targaryens took the faith of the seven shortly after conquering and remained incestuous for centuries under the faith of the seven. You're right to say the High Sparrow and the Faith Militant were against it though.

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it's in the books. The faith militant rebelled against the Targaryens upon Aegon I 's death. Until they were put down.

Also. The father and brother were not burnt alive until after Lyanna went missing. She was missing in Dorne for over a year. Prior to and during the rebellion.

 

[Dylan]

Just been reading about the Aegon's of the world.

Found something interesting. The Golden Company was founded by a Targaryen [Poor language removed] (Aegor Rivers, legitimized by Aegon IV).

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Is Cersei making a spectacular misstep in enlisting them to fight BOATSEX? Regardless of what they do in the books (as we are well off book now)

 

[Dylan]

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How is it not?????

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There is at least some separation! Neither is good, but brother sister has to be right up there just under parent/child. Then comes Aunt/Uncle nephew/neice.

Jeez, weird we are discussing which type of incest is worse!!

 

[Donald Twain]

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got to laugh at the murder over Jon snow bending the knee! It means sod all and he has no right to bend it as every other tit should be bending it to him

 

[toffeejack]

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my memory is not that great but is it possible that arya could use little fingers face to get into kings landing to kill cersei or is he deemed an enemy to the Lannisters?

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got to be honest, i thought she'd already done it. When he was speaking to sansa in her chamber earlier in the episode, i thought that was arya. But yeah, i'm waiting for her to put it to actual good use someday soon.

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Lots of people think the Night King has the same powers as Bran/is Bran so that would explain how he knew about the dragons. Also explains why they had the massive chains with them.

Littlefinger starts to fight back but then Bran destroys any arguments by revealing what had happened with Ned. He also admitted to killing Lysa and obviously Sansa knew about him marrying her to Ramsey/turning her against Arya. He didn't have a leg to stand on.

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So bran was in the woods by the tree and then it went to the white walkers scene of burning down the wall. Was that a hint that he may be the NK? Or was he just catching up on some TV and not telling anyone about what was happening.

Spoiler

The whole story is littered with far worse relationships than that of Jon 'Aegon Stark-Targaryen' Snow and Daenerys Targaryen.

A lot of people are judging Jon and Daenerys based on modern western views about inter/intra family marriage. These views do not exist in this world. This has been shown time and again on screen.


The whole series is about how Jon '[Poor language removed] son' Snow and orphan-Daenerys 'sold off to the Dothraki horde' have basically fought and clawed their way back to existence and meaningful power following their families destruction.

Much like the Targaryens and the Starks as a whole. Having been all but destroyed.

Having to band together to defeat a common enemy. There is some symmetry both in how they have developed but also they compliment each other. Daenerys is headstrong and more likely to fight first ask questions later. Snow more likely to negotiate then fight if he has to.

It unites two powerful kingdoms together. It rights the wrong of Rhaegar - Lyanna.

There is also divine intervention at play as well. Potentially that which destroyed Rhaegar - Lyanna in the first place and/or the Starks & Targeryns houses.

Its about death and rebirth. Much like the War of the Roses.


Also about how the Starks and Targaryens compliment each other very well. The Starks get more powerful in Winter as an illustration by their reemergence. This point has not been emphasised on screen. But for instance they dismissed the Tyrell army as 'children of summer' early in the series that simply wouldn't survive in the Winter-North.


Think Season 8 is going to be a roller coaster.

A big question-mark is about the Sand Snakes of Dorne and/or Yara and the Ironborn. Neither of which is actually 'on screen dead'.


Plus the Golden Company on their way from Essos. The Golden Company is a genuine threat. Yet to be shown on screen.

A big thing is about how they never break a contract.



Cersei has once again shown herself to be the most ruthless person alive.

These types of people usually have a spectacular fall. In real and fictional histories.

Live by the sword. Die by the sword.


The biggest questionmark is what is Tyrion Lannister up to. What did he say to Cersei to agree. Does he know of her betrayal?

What are his motivations. He seemed earlier in the season to actually be promoting a union of Daenerys and Jon Snow. For political and other reasons.

Spoiler

Tyrion has definitely sided with cersei, that's why he looked so guilty. The whole mood of their conversation changed when he realised she was pregnant. Remember his brother is the kingslayer, killing the "last" targaryan. I think he's going to attempt the exact same thing leaving a lovely bit of irony.
Also loving the lazyness of using viserys' character for the wedding vision. Made it a bit confusing to start with, couldn't they have got someone similar looking like they did with ned stark's younger self?

 

[Dylan]

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Tyrion has definitely sided with cersei, that's why he looked so guilty. The whole mood of their conversation changed when he realised she was pregnant. Remember his brother is the kingslayer, killing the "last" targaryan. I think he's going to attempt the exact same thing leaving a lovely bit of irony.
Also loving the lazyness of using viserys' character for the wedding vision. Made it a bit confusing to start with, couldn't they have got someone similar looking like they did with ned stark's younger self?

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It was a different actor though. And I think the idea is that the Targaryan's all sort of have the same look.

 

[Debaser]

Read the books. The third chapter in the very first book goes into quite a lot of details on the Targaryans. Especially pointed out is that they kept "everything in the family" brothers and sisters openly dated/married/had offspring to keep the family line pure blood.

Also - the books/story/show is heavily inspired by medieval Europe - where nearly all royal families kept it in house and committed incest.

For those complaining about it in the show like.

 

[toffeejack]

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It was a different actor though. And I think the idea is that the Targaryan's all sort of have the same look.

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was it? I thought it was the same guy.

Spoiler: Littlefinger & Theon

Didn't like how that played out. He was always gonna have a hard time surviving this season, but it wasn't hard to guess that Sansa would eventually turn against him and that Arya would finish him off. But the way they made him look like a complete fool, totally out of character, admitting to all his crimes without any evidence and then make him beg like a dog....nah. Another interesting, but not well-liked character gone. Also didn't like the Theon storyline, felt far to heroic and crowd-pleasing.

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the theon part was stupid, he was throwing hay makers all over the shop, missing wildly. Then surely the guy he was fighting knew he didn't have a cock? That word would have spread amongst the iron fleet, surely? The guy was massive, one theon punch and he was down for the count, ha nah.