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Gardening with Joey

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Spadge Vernacular said:
We have an ancient apple tree in our garden, remnants from a Georgian orchard and its has developed a strange green mold looking covering over the trunk and wider branches. It produces wonderful cooking apples and I would be gutted if it went so I am wondering if I can somehow create another.

What is a rootstock mate?
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If you look up - Orchard Network, which is run by - The Peoples Trust for Endangered Species ( PTES )

They have all the info about what to do / who to notify etc

Ancient orchards, even one tree, can be incredibly important in terms of bio diversity, as there are incredibly rare insects / plant life, fungi etc that can only survive on ancient fruit trees.

;)
 
COYBL25 said:
It started in the South West ( from memory ) as so many ancient cider orchards where being destroyed for housing etc.
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Yes, and also since Malling started the new varieties the rootstocks are more technically engineered now - the older varieties are diminished as you have pointed out .....
 
Joey66 said:
Yes, and also since Malling started the new varieties the rootstocks are more technically engineered now - the older varieties are diminished as you have pointed out .....
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Very good point.

Apparently the really old cider apple trees produce a really unique apple, that makes incredibly tasty cider.

I have no idea if this is true, as I can`t stand cider lol
 

COYBL25 said:
If you look up - Orchard Network, which is run by - The Peoples Trust for Endangered Species ( PTES )

They have all the info about what to do / who to notify etc

Ancient orchards, even one tree, can be incredibly important in terms of bio diversity, as there are incredibly rare insects / plant life, fungi etc that can only survive on ancient fruit trees.

;)
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Thanks mate.
 

Spadge Vernacular said:
We have an ancient apple tree in our garden, remnants from a Georgian orchard and its has developed a strange green mold looking covering over the trunk and wider branches. It produces wonderful cooking apples and I would be gutted if it went so I am wondering if I can somehow create another.

What is a rootstock mate?
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Bear with me.
Back when the kids were small they planted an (supermarket, forget which type) apple pip. Anyway it grew, got to a bit bigger than a pencil say 10/11mm wide.
Then somebody said you know you wont get apples dont you
No why
Most of these super market apples are hybrids and dont breed true.
Then one day I was watching 'How' and Jack Hargreave showed how to graft apples.
(At the right time of the year obvs)

I cut a 'tick' shaped 'V' in the 11mm thick sapling and using a similar thickness and green 'new seasons' shoot from the Ma in laws tree of (obscure - the tree was old when she moved into the house in the late 60s) nice eating apples shoved the Vees together and bound them together with cling film
It worked the tree grew.
When we moved I gave it to the wifes sister who planted it and its still giving apples.

Plant a pip now for free root stock, do the grafting thing from your tree...youtube it for a clearer explanation
Also for control purposes / back up, plant a pip from your old tree
 
degsy said:
Bear with me.
Back when the kids were small they planted an (supermarket, forget which type) apple pip. Anyway it grew, got to a bit bigger than a pencil say 10/11mm wide.
Then somebody said you know you wont get apples dont you
No why
Most of these super market apples are hybrids and dont breed true.
Then one day I was watching 'How' and Jack Hargreave showed how to graft apples.
(At the right time of the year obvs)

I cut a 'tick' shaped 'V' in the 11mm thick sapling and using a similar thickness and green 'new seasons' shoot from the Ma in laws tree of (obscure - the tree was old when she moved into the house in the late 60s) nice eating apples shoved the Vees together and bound them together with cling film
It worked the tree grew.
When we moved I gave it to the wifes sister who planted it and its still giving apples.

Plant a pip now for free root stock, do the grafting thing from your tree...youtube it for a clearer explanation
Also for control purposes / back up, plant a pip from your old tree
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The pip(seed ) will be Heinz 57 variety though, but still may be an edible apple, but never the original variety......even when grafted on ........that's why you need the original rootstock to get the same identical tree the more vigorous the rootstock the heavier the crop.......if compatible ......giving apples is all well and good it's the taste the amount etc ...
Some rootstocks like @COYBL25 are being desimated into extinction......
 
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degsy said:
Bear with me.
Back when the kids were small they planted an (supermarket, forget which type) apple pip. Anyway it grew, got to a bit bigger than a pencil say 10/11mm wide.
Then somebody said you know you wont get apples dont you
No why
Most of these super market apples are hybrids and dont breed true.
Then one day I was watching 'How' and Jack Hargreave showed how to graft apples.
(At the right time of the year obvs)

I cut a 'tick' shaped 'V' in the 11mm thick sapling and using a similar thickness and green 'new seasons' shoot from the Ma in laws tree of (obscure - the tree was old when she moved into the house in the late 60s) nice eating apples shoved the Vees together and bound them together with cling film
It worked the tree grew.
When we moved I gave it to the wifes sister who planted it and its still giving apples.

Plant a pip now for free root stock, do the grafting thing from your tree...youtube it for a clearer explanation
Also for control purposes / back up, plant a pip from your old tree
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The best graft I ever seen was a broom plant which grow about 3ft (0.91 m) high grafted on to a Laburnum tree stock same family related to the Legumes.....should have taken a photo at the time .......
 
Joey66 said:
The best graft I ever seen was a broom plant which grow about 3ft (0.91 m) high grafted on to a Laburnum tree stock same family related to the Legumes.....should have taken a photo at the time .......
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If you really know the cries, you can graft 3 apples on tonthe same tree, an early, a baker or cooker and a late.
 
degsy said:
If you really know the cries, you can graft 3 apples on tonthe same tree, an early, a baker or cooker and a late.
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Yep seen a Rose with three different varieties grafted on the same rootstock - looked okish as I stated the best graft was a Broom Cystis
Preacox shrub of 3 feet grafted on to a Laburnum tree stock both related from the legume family ....that was in the days my old Forman used rafffia paper string tobound the graft on ....nowadays you get rubber ties with the slit for the graft to fit through making it easier , but still a great art...
I budded roses by the 1000s in a team to supply the whole pars department- the old Forman afeter the stockplant got growing strong earthe them up like poatotoes, so the bark was soft easier to slip the buds in ....back breaking work .....then when the Rose struck the roots stock was cut sharp back to the new bud to avoid suckers in the future .....
 

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