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Gareth Barry

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Gibbo4 said:
My favourite player, no doubt. It's clearly a position that needs to be filled though, going by some of the out and out tosh written about him though.
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To say he didnt give the ball away rather cheaply today is also tosh. I can count 3 times in which he attempted a pass and it was nowhere near an everton player and landed straight to the feet of a sunderland one.

Not to mention deciding to have a cuppa on the edge of our box

If youre going to accuse another poster of making stuff up, dont follow suit yourself.
 
Deco said:
IMO he was one of the worst performers in the team today - he's a good player, but as it stands I would say Besic is a better option.
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Worst in what way though? The player who retains and recycles the ball the best is the one of the worst players. Fine.
 
blue4eva77 said:
To say he didnt give the ball away rather cheaply today is also tosh. I can count 3 times in which he attempted a pass and it was nowhere near an everton player and landed straight to the feet of a sunderland one.

If youre going to accuse another poster of making stuff up, dont follow suit yourself.
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You new at watching this football thing. Every player loses the ball during matches. Gibson lost it 5 times today, McCarthy 8. Clearly Gibson had a shocker.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Think Barry and Gibson offer different things to the team but both when fully fit as usually very good passers, probably among the best in the team.

My personal preference is for Barry but Gibson looks like he'll get a run of games to impress.
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Barry is a class player, always been a fan. He is a master at the defensive game and is a great specimen. Lovely left too. No problem with people preferring him.
 

Gibbo4 said:
You new at watching this football thing. Every player loses the ball during matches. Gibson lost it 5 times today, McCarthy 8. Clearly Gibson had a shocker.
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Relax mate; different people have different opinions. You like Gibson and feel he played well which is fine. You also make some valid points.

However, make sure you're not be overly subjective and sometimes other people make valid points. It's finding the correct balance.

For example, McCarthy may have lost the ball on eight occasions as you say, but it doesn't adequately show the circumstances of such loses.

Matches aren't always as black and white as statistics may show, or be used to show. It isn't all about passing either!

Personally I thought Gibson played okay, but clearly he wasn't fully match fit - this meant some of his passes were sloppy.
 
Gibbo4 said:
Worst in what way though? The player who retains and recycles the ball the best is the one of the worst players. Fine.
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Anyone can pass sideways/backwards and get a high pass ratio.

I'm saying that whether it was his final pass (which is normally quite good, but I'm going off today's performance), his positioning, defending etc. It all seemed to be lacking.

I'm pretty sure others are thinking the same
 
PhilM said:
Relax mate; different people have different opinions. You like Gibson and feel he played well which is fine. You also make some valid points.

However, make sure you're not be overly subjective and sometimes other people make valid points. It's finding the correct balance.

For example, McCarthy may have lost the ball on eight occasions as you say, but it doesn't adequately show the circumstances of such loses.

Matches aren't always as black and white as statistics may show, or be used to show. It isn't all about passing either!

Personally I thought Gibson played okay, but clearly he wasn't fully match fit - this meant some of his passes were sloppy.
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I think you've got this backwards. I'm making objective factual statements to people's subjective impressions.
 
Deco said:
Anyone can pass sideways/backwards and get a high pass ratio.

I'm saying that whether it was his final pass (which is normally quite good, but I'm going off today's performance), his positioning, defending etc. It all seemed to be lacking.

I'm pretty sure others are thinking the same
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Disagree mate. If a player could bottle 5 passing mistakes a game and reproduce it for the rest of their lives then they would be world class. Disagree with you assessment of his positioning/defending. Sounds very vague, can't say I noticed anything out of the ordinary in this regard myself. He hasn't got Barry's strengths in this regard, but he never did.

McCarthy made more passing mistakes and passed backwards/sidewards more. Haven't seen you or others mention that. And quite rightly so as he was motm. Gibson however deserves a lot of criticism for making less of them in the game.
 
bluegirl said:
He gives it away too much for me and then is far too slow to win it back, perfect example in the sunderland box today.

Besic is more of a Barry type player but with the legs. Besic plays it simple and keeps it, whilst running around and winning it at the same time. He has the bad tackle in him though which is a bad side but it's not all bad with someone like that, we've got to have bit of snide.

Gibson tries to break the defence with every pass, which is great, but 90% of the time he gives it away and cause he's not match fit he's too slow to win it back.
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No no no no *shakes head* :rolleyes:
 

Gibbo4 said:
I think you've got this backwards. I'm making objective factual statements to people's subjective impressions.
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Are you sure you're not using statistics to attempt to substantiate an opinion, which you believe is objective, beyond someone else's?

Football is subjective. Also, simply including statistics does not make something objective, especially when they are selective in their figures.

Simply saying he had a certain pass ratio does not mean he played fantastically well, equally it doesn't mean he played poorly.

It needs to be used in context which was what I, and others, were simply trying to suggest. Not a slander against Gibson in any way.

The number of completed passes or average pass rate doesn't take into account the difficulty of the pass or poor, unforced errors.

I thought Gibson played okay today, in a way I was trying to defend you, but you certainly are living up to your username.

By the way... Everton having 58% possession, 16 shots and 7 on target compared to 42%, 10 and 3 - were we the better team?

Objective factual statements and all....
 
PhilM said:
Are you sure you're not using statistics to attempt to substantiate an opinion, which you believe is objective, beyond someone else's?

Football is subjective. Also, simply including statistics does not make something objective, especially when they are selective in their figures.

Simply saying he had a certain pass ratio does not mean he played fantastically well, equally it doesn't mean he played poorly.

It needs to be used in context which was what I, and others, were simply trying to suggest. Not a slander against Gibson in any way.

The number of completed passes or average pass rate doesn't take into account the number of passes, difficulty of the pass or blatant, poor errors.

I thought Gibson played okay today, in a way I was trying to defend you, but you certainly are living up to your username.

By the way... Everton having 58% possession, 16 shots and 7 on target compared to 42%, 10 and 3 - were they the better team?

Objective factual statements and all....
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No mate. I thought what I did was very simple. If someone 'thinks' a player has given the ball away too much and uses this as a basis for cticism, you can easily refute this with the stats. Not rocket science.
 

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