General Meeting

[JLW]

Go read the quotes from him I just provided you with. They came from his gob, nothing to do with the "British Press".

What’s wrong with them quotes???

He hasn’t achieved what he wants to so far, he’s made mistakes of course he has, but he’s ambitious and wants to get us to the very top, I just think he was naive thinking he could do so quickly. IMO we are 2-3 years behind those above us and that’s with us improving year after year and the top 6 standing still!! Look how far Man U have fallen and we are still way behind behind them. This is no quick fix but I believe we’re in good hands. A lot of fans are just looking at our league position now and thinking we haven’t moved forward, we have!

New ground is happening!
Not riddled with debt
A very young squad
Better sponsorship deals
DoF who looks like he knows what he’s doing

We are in better shape than we have been for decades.

 

[mahermi1]

I'll tell you what's changed. Perception and expectancy.

Let's take a trip back to Moyes reign. Fans understood the plight of the club. We longed for the magical bullet of a sheikh or a oligarch. Sky money was less. We balanced books by making huge profits on players Moyes had nurtured. There are countless examples of players we trebled/quadroopled their value once sold. Moyes had the knack of getting great value out of players he'd paid peanuts for. We kept accruing debt though although it was being managed via various loans. As fans we hated the fact we sold our best players. A large percentage of the fans demonised Moyes for not taking us forward despite regularly finishing 5th,6th,7th. His style was mocked as cowardly. He was accused of not being adventurous. We demanded something better.

Zoom forward and the clubs financial plight was saved by the ridiculously ludicrous new sky contracts. This made us a finally attractive project for an aspiring billionaire to take on. Enter Mr Moshiri. Suddenly it seemed like we were spending boat loads at levels we'd never seen before. Expectation became bigger. The super fan was born. Top six here we come. Unfortunately though things weren't gelling like they should. Managers were spending huge amounts of money on average players or prospects. These managers didn't improve them though so slowly but surely they had to be taken off our wage bill incurring huge losses. This is a process that is still going on today. Also under the Mosh our new look teams seem to have a soft under belly, a lack of fight. We don't have jewels in our team anymore that we know can bag us a massive transfer profit. Players seem to stagnate when they come to us at present. This is damaging financially. Moyes was criticised for not bringing through enough youth. However under Mosh our youth has had lots of chances but has flattered to deceive.

I want to just say I'm on Mr Moshiri's side. I'm just trying to point out that since he came from a pure footballing perspective we have been worse than when we were skint. That's a shame and it's scary to think that in order to improve it seems like we have to keep throwing huge amounts of money at the problem. Is this sustainable. I'm not so sure and when the super fan sees the expected slow down in investment things are gonna get messy in here. I prey Marco turns this poor run around or this season may turn into a dark one indeed.

Very feasible, great post, sad to read, but very well put.

 

[bicycleheader]

“For our club to compete in the north west of England, which is the new Hollywood of football with Guardiola, Mourinho and Klopp, we needed a star to stand on the touchline so we got Koeman

That quote is just horrific.

Horrific.

We are on our arses hoping to get up and get back competing largely because of the idiocy of a non-football man thinking the above and employing a dullard limited manager at precisely the wrong time, and flinging megadough at him to boot. Then compounding that error by sacking him with no confirmed backup and employing somebody who should never have been allowed near the managers job here. An all-time low for me in my 30yrs of Everton-lows.

I'll forgive him when we win a league, other than that he can do one.

 

[Jacko93]

I am sick to death of seeing folk claiming that Moshiri or the club did nothing to inflate the expectations. He might not have said "we're gonna do a City" verbatim but take a look at what he did say and then have an honest think on whether or not you think he raised expectations beyond what he can deliver with these quotes given what we've seen the past three years.


His first program notes

1."I am here to support them as required to ensure that the club recaptures the glory days of the past and builds sustained success in the future.

2."We need to make sure club has a suitable stage to perform on"

"I know a lot of you want to know what my plans are. There is much to be done and things for me to learn, but I can confirm that I have committed to providing additional funds for transfers and 3. retaining our key players to ensure that we have a strong core to build on for the future


The "Nothing will ever be the same" 2016 season ticket sales tagline.

From his talksport interview 2016

On his priorities for the club:
4. "For our club to compete in the north west of England, which is the new Hollywood of football with Guardiola, Mourinho and Klopp, we needed a star to stand on the touchline so we got Koeman.

5. On his backing for manager Ronald Koeman:
“We have no restrictions to spend. The manager is totally committed and ruthless; if a player is not up to it he uses another player and eventually he buys one. I support him. The job of the owner and chairman is simply to hire and fire a manager. The rest is down to him. Once we hire a manager, we back him. He keeps his counsel. He has the personality, the aura and the ability. We trust him. 6. He achieved eighth and seventh with Southampton. He needs to improve on that. It is a difficult landscape now because a lot of clubs are getting new kit deals – £900million, £1billion – so we know it is difficult but there is always a way to compete and will find a way to compete. He [Koeman] is everything I wanted. Disciplined, experienced, a top coach. He has got the aura. He was one of top 50 all-time players. He is very direct and his sense of humour is Dutch!”

"60mil is Monopoly Money"


His first AGM in 2017
"It is not just enough to say we are special. 7. We don’t want to be a museum, we want to be competitive and we want to win. "

"There's a window to establish ourselves. 8. We'll do everything we can to build a sustainable base and become part of the elite. We are committed. That’s why we are here. "

1. Which of his actions have said that he isn't here to do That? How long will you give him to reverse 25 years of decline and stagnation?

2. That is happening with a new stadium. It is happening.

3. I don't know what's happening behind closed doors with players wanting out, but of the ones we've really missed, and the stories that came out about them (if true) it got to nigh on impossible to keep them. More a symptom of our current standing than of our owners ambition.

4. This is a must if he wants to achieve his first point. The North West is pretty much the centre of the footballing world in this country.

5. One of the biggest problems that we had was the amount he allowed Koeman to spend, so not sure how him saying that is at fault for raising expectations to far when he went and did it.

6. Something that he stuck to his word on, by sacking the manager, no matter how much he had sung his praises previously.

7. Of course this is raising expectations, but not past where they should be.

8. That's kind of all he's been saying since he got here. How's that a bad thing?

 

[Goat]

That quote is just horrific.

Horrific.

We are on our arses hoping to get up and get back competing largely because of the idiocy of a non-football man thinking the above and employing a dullard limited manager at precisely the wrong time, and flinging megadough at him to boot. Then compounding that error by sacking him with no confirmed backup and employing somebody who should never have been allowed near the managers job here. An all-time low for me in my 30yrs of Everton-lows.

I'll forgive him when we win a league, other than that he can do one.

Said it before and I will say it again, Koeman is the manager who has won the most trophies in our entire history.

His stock was at its highest when we got him, his name rang out.

 

[mahermi1]

Said it before and I will say it again, Koeman is the manager who has won the most trophies in our entire history.

His stock was at its highest when we got him, his name rang out.

True at the time a lot of our fans were thinking, Koeman and Walsh were the dream team. I know I was, but then again hindsight is a wonderful thing....

 

[Jacko93]

Said it before and I will say it again, Koeman is the manager who has won the most trophies in our entire history.

His stock was at its highest when we got him, his name rang out.

Agreed. The appointment of Koeman was a huge statement of intent. It simply never worked out.

 

[Goat]

True at the time a lot of our fans were thinking, Koeman and Walsh were the dream team. I know I was, but then again hindsight is a wonderful thing....

Agreed. The appointment of Koeman was a huge statement of intent. It simply never worked out.

Of course hindsight tells us it was a terrible double appointment.

But compared to Marco Silva, Koemans Premier League record was pretty impressive.

 

[mahermi1]

Of course hindsight tells us it was a terrible double appointment.

But compared to Marco Silva, Koemans Premier League record was pretty impressive.

Also we took Walsh off the league champions, that at the time was seen as a coup, the chief scout, who found their three best players, for buttons, Kante, Mahrez and Vardy.

 

[Walken]

Said it before and I will say it again, Koeman is the manager who has won the most trophies in our entire history.

His stock was at its highest when we got him, his name rang out.

It didn't mate, plenty of us were underwhelmed with the weird obsession at bringing in koeman, he had achieved very little of significance

 

[Goat]

It didn't mate, plenty of us were underwhelmed with the weird obsession at bringing in koeman, he had achieved very little of significance

Mate I called him the Dutch Moyes.

Im just saying nobody has won as many trophies as Koeman had.

 

[Walken]

Mate I called him the Dutch Moyes.

Im just saying nobody has won as many trophies as Koeman had.

Dutch trophies are a bit Scottish though, and I'm glad you were one of the prophets who saw through the fat fried cheese eater

 

[Goat]

Dutch trophies are a bit Scottish though, and I'm glad you were one of the prophets who saw through the fat fried cheese eater

I was rar onto him.

May 8, 2016
Hiring the Dutch David Moyes would be a massive, massive mistake.


https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/search/41418/?page=3&q=Dutch+Moyes&c[users]=MarcelsGoat&o=date

 

[Efcjake]

Other than the Ronald Koeman stuff which everybody (including Moshiri I'm sure) now see as a mistake (wonderful thing hindsight) I see little wrong with what he has said. I have no doubt at all that he is as ambitious as he sounds. Nowhere does he say that we will be a huge success almost overnight (which is what YOU were alluding to by making a comparison with Manchester City)

What’s wrong with them quotes???

He hasn’t achieved what he wants to so far, he’s made mistakes of course he has, but he’s ambitious and wants to get us to the very top, I just think he was naive thinking he could do so quickly. IMO we are 2-3 years behind those above us and that’s with us improving year after year and the top 6 standing still!! Look how far Man U have fallen and we are still way behind behind them. This is no quick fix but I believe we’re in good hands. A lot of fans are just looking at our league position now and thinking we haven’t moved forward, we have!

New ground is happening!
Not riddled with debt
A very young squad
Better sponsorship deals
DoF who looks like he knows what he’s doing

We are in better shape than we have been for decades.

1. Which of his actions have said that he isn't here to do That? How long will you give him to reverse 25 years of decline and stagnation?

2. That is happening with a new stadium. It is happening.

3. I don't know what's happening behind closed doors with players wanting out, but of the ones we've really missed, and the stories that came out about them (if true) it got to nigh on impossible to keep them. More a symptom of our current standing than of our owners ambition.

4. This is a must if he wants to achieve his first point. The North West is pretty much the centre of the footballing world in this country.

5. One of the biggest problems that we had was the amount he allowed Koeman to spend, so not sure how him saying that is at fault for raising expectations to far when he went and did it.

6. Something that he stuck to his word on, by sacking the manager, no matter how much he had sung his praises previously.

7. Of course this is raising expectations, but not past where they should be.

8. That's kind of all he's been saying since he got here. How's that a bad thing?

I've not said the quotes were a bad thing. It's right that we're ambitious and he wants to do these things.

I'm just saying they have definitely contributed to fan's raised expectations and that the fans should not be blamed for having these expectations when this is the stuff that the owner was coming out with in the first two years. Some of them can be forgiven for thinking we were going to "do a City" when you go back and read what was said.

I remember my eyes going wide at the 100 million number being thrown around for the summer transfer window immediately after he arrived. That felt like a very big number and possibly enough to help us kick on. Two years on and we've seen what 100 million gets you. There's no more "doing a City" but there were early on some high expectations that we could maybe build a team around Stones, Lukaku, and Barkley with that amount of money. Nobody saw the Koeman and Walsh axis of evil coming.

 

[kithnou]

With a balaclava and a shotgun

The Greek in me immediately read that as a baklava.