General Meeting

[toffeejack]

Thanks, that’s exactly what I meant. I made a bit of a mess of getting my point across and you’ve made it a lot clearer than I did!

Next time I apply for a job I'm giving it to @catcherintherye to proof read.

 

[Zatara]

Who actually said we would be after young players for big fees but low wages?

 

[mkrudden]

I wonder if Moshiri regrets sacking Martinez.

World Cup semi-finalist. I think it's hard to deny we would be much further on with our progression had he stayed. The foundation was there.

 

[Moomin]

Also we took Walsh off the league champions, that at the time was seen as a coup, the chief scout, who found their three best players, for buttons, Kante, Mahrez and Vardy.

Walsh also defeated the Kraken in the lost city of Atlantis to discover Zola.

 

[bring the ghost on]

I dont think it was intended to sound as 'blunt' as it did, a poor choice of wording.

True. He is a bit careless with his choice of words to be honest.

 

[Lanolin]

I wonder if Moshiri regrets sacking Martinez.

World Cup semi-finalist. I think it's hard to deny we would be much further on with our progression had he stayed. The foundation was there.

You may remember that you and I differed somewhat in our opinions of Martinez...

I think you have a point though. While I haven't revised my opinion of Martinez himself, it's hard to disagree with the fact that he is much more the type of manager that fits with what we're apparently trying to do, and that the appointment of Koeman/Allardyce was just a complete waste of 2 years (and a frightening amount of money). I still think Martinez would have needed to be moved on, but at least we'd have had a consistent model, rather than the complete about turns we've seen over recent years.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I wonder if Moshiri regrets sacking Martinez.

World Cup semi-finalist. I think it's hard to deny we would be much further on with our progression had he stayed. The foundation was there.

I'm going to hazard a guess here.

No.

 

[nsno-chris]

I wonder if Moshiri regrets sacking Martinez.

World Cup semi-finalist. I think it's hard to deny we would be much further on with our progression had he stayed. The foundation was there.

 

[Nymzee]

Who actually said we would be after young players for big fees but low wages?

The Mosh Pit

 

[mahermi1]

...and that's not the point. His conversion of that debt into shares will repay him on sale.

Anyone thinking Moshiri is throwing money at the club are daft. Player acquisition and wages are funded by revenues and the rest of the spending since he arrived has been consolidatiing his own control of Everton.

And if he increases our value as a club, especially with what he's put in, possible new ground and then sells us off to even richer owners, don't you think he'll deserve his money back Dave ?
Because believe it or not, our last owner, the self professed greatest Evertonian on earth, who never put a penny of his own money in and let us stagnate, then went on to make a massive profit when he sold us to the " carpetbagger " as you call him.

Walsh also defeated the Kraken in the lost city of Atlantis to discover Zola.

Err yeah ok mate

 

[blueblue]

You may remember that you and I differed somewhat in our opinions of Martinez...

I think you have a point though. While I haven't revised my opinion of Martinez himself, it's hard to disagree with the fact that he is much more the type of manager that fits with what we're apparently trying to do, and that the appointment of Koeman/Allardyce was just a complete waste of 2 years (and a frightening amount of money). I still think Martinez would have needed to be moved on, but at least we'd have had a consistent model, rather than the complete about turns we've seen over recent years.

With the talent at his disposal that is the least you would expect.
The talent in that squad is exceptional , it would cost hundreds of millions to afford them, well beyond the means of the richest clubs.
Can you imagine what Guardiola would do with that squad.

 

[Strikinglyhandsome1]

I wonder if Moshiri regrets sacking Martinez.

World Cup semi-finalist. I think it's hard to deny we would be much further on with our progression had he stayed. The foundation was there.

Everton manager Roberto Martinez has accepted that the club are in a relegation battle. Martinez's side are six points above the relegation zone after winning one of their last 12 Premier League games. Everton have 28 points from 28 games, their lowest total at this stage of a season in the Premier League era.

"Any team that hasn't got 40 points in the final third of the season is in a relegation fight. The big advantage I have is that I've been through that every season. Yes, yes, but I've been down with 36 points and it's very tough to get 36 points in this league," Martinez said.

Hardly inspiring stuff.

He also added that he wouldn’t change.

Maybe he is suited to international football or cup runs. No one was asking if Southgate was available and he got to the semis.

 

[Neiler]

I'll tell you what's changed. Perception and expectancy.

Let's take a trip back to Moyes reign. Fans understood the plight of the club. We longed for the magical bullet of a sheikh or a oligarch. Sky money was less. We balanced books by making huge profits on players Moyes had nurtured. There are countless examples of players we trebled/quadroopled their value once sold. Moyes had the knack of getting great value out of players he'd paid peanuts for. We kept accruing debt though although it was being managed via various loans. As fans we hated the fact we sold our best players. A large percentage of the fans demonised Moyes for not taking us forward despite regularly finishing 5th,6th,7th. His style was mocked as cowardly. He was accused of not being adventurous. We demanded something better.

Zoom forward and the clubs financial plight was saved by the ridiculously ludicrous new sky contracts. This made us a finally attractive project for an aspiring billionaire to take on. Enter Mr Moshiri. Suddenly it seemed like we were spending boat loads at levels we'd never seen before. Expectation became bigger. The super fan was born. Top six here we come. Unfortunately though things weren't gelling like they should. Managers were spending huge amounts of money on average players or prospects. These managers didn't improve them though so slowly but surely they had to be taken off our wage bill incurring huge losses. This is a process that is still going on today. Also under the Mosh our new look teams seem to have a soft under belly, a lack of fight. We don't have jewels in our team anymore that we know can bag us a massive transfer profit. Players seem to stagnate when they come to us at present. This is damaging financially. Moyes was criticised for not bringing through enough youth. However under Mosh our youth has had lots of chances but has flattered to deceive.

I want to just say I'm on Mr Moshiri's side. I'm just trying to point out that since he came from a pure footballing perspective we have been worse than when we were skint. That's a shame and it's scary to think that in order to improve it seems like we have to keep throwing huge amounts of money at the problem. Is this sustainable. I'm not so sure and when the super fan sees the expected slow down in investment things are gonna get messy in here. I prey Marco turns this poor run around or this season may turn into a dark one indeed.

We really underestimate and dont appreciate the job David Moyes did here. He did the job its now taking two people in Brands and Silva to do and while they only have their feet under the table, haven't matched his achievements at the club.

 

[BernieH]

what was the big news then?

 

[Gwladys Nights]

We really underestimate and dont appreciate the job David Moyes did here. He did the job its now taking two people in Brands and Silva to do and while they only have their feet under the table, haven't matched his achievements at the club.

Moyes was great for us. Hope more start realising.