Goats squad analysis thread 2018/19

[Zatara]

Do you actually watch the games? Schneiderlin has been good so far this season and was name checked before the season by Silva so is obviously in the managers immediate plans.

I'd be interested how you think Dowell and Sigurdsson can replace Schneiderlin in the current formation. Davies is a viable alternative but Baningimine has 11 first team appearances so is no where near a regaular first team position yet and we have yet to see Gomes in a blue shirt.

Youre asking me if i watch the games then state as fact that Schneiderlin has been good?

I actually believe that the club and the fans should expect ALOT more from a player than waddling around and playing basic passes just because he doesnt want to 'lose position' or whatever excuse can be made for his unwillingness every single game.

In the system being used, Gana is the ball winner, Schneiderlin is relied upon to hold a position and bring the ball out + recycle possession.

Its quite obvious that Dowell and Sigurdsson (as well as Gomes)are superior passers (forward) than Schneiderlin. So if we are looking for someone to build and recycle play then hes a strange choice.

On the other hand, if we are seeking a box to box player alongside Gana (which may be an issue as Gana seems unable to sit) then Gomes and Davies are superior options...

Third option would be to have 2 ball winners charging around like Parkinson and Horne: Baningime and Gana -- though their passing (forward) is under question

Id be interested to learn what key features of Schneiderlins game are superior to any of the other options.

If you look at what i believe to be a successful 3 man centre midfield, the RS had Mascherano + Alonso + Gerrard. We have Gana + Schneiderlin + Sigurdsson currently playing similar roles.

Mascherano had a different style to Gana but both are very good defensively.

Alonso could dictate play from deep and wasnt afraid of running 5 metres to put a tackle in.

Gerrard and Sigurdsson are also different but in a way similar in that they both cover huge distances and have somewhat similar (in a way) skillsets.

Even taking the Juventus team, Pirlo would be the Schneiderlin/Alonso in that side...furthermore, just look at Neves in the DM position for Wolves against us (yes i watch the games) and compare his good performance to what you are qualifying is good in terms of Schneiderlin.

Yes, hes not as dire as last season but i believe thats due to tactics rather than any discernable improvement.

 

[Goat]

Manager : Marco Silva

GK
Jordan Pickford
Maarten Stekelenburg
João Virginia

RB
Séamus Coleman
Jonjoe Kenny

LB
Lucas Digne
Leighton Baines

CB
Yerry Mina
Kurt Zouma
Michael Keane
Phil Jagielka
Mason Holgate

DM/CM/AM
André Gomes
Morgan Schneiderlin
James McCarthy
Idrissa Gueye
Gylfi Sigurðsson
Tom Davies

Widers
Richarlison
Bernard
Theo Walcott
Ademola Lookman

Strikers
Cenk Tosun
Oumar Niasse
Sandro Ramírez
Dominic Calvert-Lewin

Total players: 26
Players culled so far: 20
Players purchased so far: 7

Players Out :
Robles, Garbutt(Loan), Mori, Rooney, Klaassen, Tarashaj(Loan), Onyekuru(Loan), Williams, Robinson(Loan), Mirallas(Loan), Connolly(Loan), Vlasic(Loan), Martina(Loan), Besic(Loan), Bolasie(Loan).
Pennington(TBC), Dowell(TBC), Baningime(TBC), Browning(TBC), Galloway(TBC)

 

[messymascot]

With the injuries to Mina, Keane and Jagielka it might be wise to name either or both Browning and Galloway in the 25 man squad. There is enough space with all the players out on loan and as Feeney and Gibson also appear to be injured we are seriously light in that department.

 

[Nymzee]

With the injuries to Mina, Keane and Jagielka it might be wise to name either or both Browning and Galloway in the 25 man squad. There is enough space with all the players out on loan and as Feeney and Gibson also appear to be injured we are seriously light in that department.

Hasn’t the 25 already been submitted?

 

[messymascot]

Hasn’t the 25 already been submitted?

As far as i understood the final 25 didn't need to be submitted til end of August. At the minute it's a bit like January the 25 man squad just has to be named a certain amount of time before the game. I could be wrong but that was my reading of the rules I think it's to allow for the fact players can still leave up until that point.

 

[toffee-boy]

what does the bold player names mean?

 

[hktoffee]

Browning and Galloway. Struggle to find a loan elsewhere according to Echo. This club was way too easy to hand out extention to young players.

 

[Joey66]

Manager : Marco Silva

GK
Jordan Pickford
Maarten Stekelenburg
João Virginia

RB
Séamus Coleman
Jonjoe Kenny

LB
Lucas Digne
Leighton Baines

CB
Yerry Mina
Kurt Zouma
Michael Keane
Phil Jagielka
Mason Holgate

DM/CM/AM
André Gomes
Morgan Schneiderlin
James McCarthy
Idrissa Gueye
Gylfi Sigurðsson
Tom Davies

Widers
Richarlison
Bernard
Theo Walcott
Ademola Lookman

Strikers
Cenk Tosun
Oumar Niasse
Sandro Ramírez
Dominic Calvert-Lewin

Total players: 26
Players culled so far: 20
Players purchased so far: 7

Players Out :
Robles, Garbutt(Loan), Mori, Rooney, Klaassen, Tarashaj(Loan), Onyekuru(Loan), Williams, Robinson(Loan), Mirallas(Loan), Connolly(Loan), Vlasic(Loan), Martina(Loan), Besic(Loan), Bolasie(Loan).
Pennington(TBC), Dowell(TBC), Baningime(TBC), Browning(TBC), Galloway(TBC)

Injured how your x ray eyes missed that.........lol

 

[marchy]

Youre asking me if i watch the games then state as fact that Schneiderlin has been good?

I actually believe that the club and the fans should expect ALOT more from a player than waddling around and playing basic passes just because he doesnt want to 'lose position' or whatever excuse can be made for his unwillingness every single game.

In the system being used, Gana is the ball winner, Schneiderlin is relied upon to hold a position and bring the ball out + recycle possession.

Its quite obvious that Dowell and Sigurdsson (as well as Gomes)are superior passers (forward) than Schneiderlin. So if we are looking for someone to build and recycle play then hes a strange choice.

On the other hand, if we are seeking a box to box player alongside Gana (which may be an issue as Gana seems unable to sit) then Gomes and Davies are superior options...

Third option would be to have 2 ball winners charging around like Parkinson and Horne: Baningime and Gana -- though their passing (forward) is under question

Id be interested to learn what key features of Schneiderlins game are superior to any of the other options.

If you look at what i believe to be a successful 3 man centre midfield, the RS had Mascherano + Alonso + Gerrard. We have Gana + Schneiderlin + Sigurdsson currently playing similar roles.

Mascherano had a different style to Gana but both are very good defensively.

Alonso could dictate play from deep and wasnt afraid of running 5 metres to put a tackle in.

Gerrard and Sigurdsson are also different but in a way similar in that they both cover huge distances and have somewhat similar (in a way) skillsets.

Even taking the Juventus team, Pirlo would be the Schneiderlin/Alonso in that side...furthermore, just look at Neves in the DM position for Wolves against us (yes i watch the games) and compare his good performance to what you are qualifying is good in terms of Schneiderlin.

Yes, hes not as dire as last season but i believe thats due to tactics rather than any discernable improvement.

A lot of waffle which doesn't build on your original statement that Dowell could be a replacement for Schneiderlin. You can't just state that Dowell is a better passer, which in a premier league game has yet to be proven, and leave it at that. They are totally different types of players so swapping Dowell for Schneiderlin would mean a totally different set-up to that which Silva has used so far.

We don't have a direct replacement for Schneiderlin in the current squad so there is no way Silva and Brands let him go in the near future. Do we need someone who offers more influence on the game, absolutely but for this season at least I can see Schneiderlin being a key cog in Silvas team.

The balance offered by a midfield 3 of Schneiderlin, Gana and Gylfi is pretty good and will improve as the team adjust to the managers tactics and the players develop an understanding between themselves.

 

[Goat]

Hasn’t the 25 already been submitted?

25 man squad is submitted 1st September as far as im aware, maybe the 2nd.

But it hasnt yet put it that way.

 

[Goat]

With the injuries to Mina, Keane and Jagielka it might be wise to name either or both Browning and Galloway in the 25 man squad. There is enough space with all the players out on loan and as Feeney and Gibson also appear to be injured we are seriously light in that department.

I will take a look once the window closes, people will be moved back in then.

 

[Nymzee]

25 man squad is submitted 1st September as far as im aware, maybe the 2nd.

But it hasnt yet put it that way.

Yeh was getting mixed up with registered players before season started.

 

[messymascot]

I will take a look once the window closes, people will be moved back in then.

I was thinking more the club than your thread. Hopefully no Garbutt type omissions this year if there is empty spaces hopefully the club will put them in.

 

[Goat]

I was thinking more the club than your thread. Hopefully no Garbutt type omissions this year if there is empty spaces hopefully the club will put them in.

We should have plenty of space to add people we want.

I dont think we wanted Garbutt.

 

[messymascot]

We should have plenty of space to add people we want.

I dont think we wanted Garbutt.

Still should have named in hindsight and not Sam Byrne. If Sandro goes it leaves 21 players we will need to name that are considered 1st team and 3 reserves Browning, Galloway and Charsley who can only play if they are in the 25. The rest all qualify by being u21this includes DCL, Kenny and Richarlison.