Guardiola to be found out in the premier league

Monster Ultra · November 15, 2019

Yank said:
Pep is a 1000x the manager Wenger is. You're either old, or clueless, possibly both.

Pep has success in 3 countries. Wenger had a decent decade, then didn't do bleep for almost 15 years.

Top manager Pep, best in the world. Winning trophies with a prime Messi at Barcelona, then going to Bayern who've dominated the Bundesliga with fifteen league titles in the past twenty years and followed by back to Premier Leagues and a domestic treble with the most expensive football team in world football. No comparison. Add in more success with Juve and PSG and he'll undoubtedly go down as the best manager in history. All that counts is winners medals.

Disgruntledgoat · November 15, 2019

Monster Ultra said:
Top manager Pep, best in the world. Winning trophies with a prime Messi at Barcelona, then going to Bayern who've dominated the Bundesliga with fifteen league titles in the past twenty years and followed by back to Premier Leagues and a domestic treble with the most expensive football team in world football. No comparison. Add in more success with Juve and PSG and he'll undoubtedly go down as the best manager in history. All that counts is winners medals.

Weird dislike of all things City... why not introduce yourself in the new members forum?

Izzy1878 · November 15, 2019

For his style of football he has to spend big. Would wanna see how great he'd be managing us but then again that'll be too much work. He'll go PSG or Juve next.

Monster Ultra · November 15, 2019

Izzy1878 said:
For his style of football he has to spend big. Would wanna see how great he'd be managing us but then again that'll be too much work. He'll go PSG or Juve next.

RS.

Walken · November 15, 2019

Yank said:
Pep is a 1000x the manager Wenger is. You're either old, or clueless, possibly both.

Pep has success in 3 countries. Wenger had a decent decade, then didn't do bleep for almost 15 years.

Except keep a club in the champions league while operating on a profit for a decade, doing so without complaint and with the loyalty to realuse he would be securing a clubs future for the next century. A very very different challange to anything pep has faced

riddick · November 15, 2019

Monster Ultra said:
Top manager Pep, best in the world. Winning trophies with a prime Messi at Barcelona, then going to Bayern who've dominated the Bundesliga with fifteen league titles in the past twenty years and followed by back to Premier Leagues and a domestic treble with the most expensive football team in world football. No comparison. Add in more success with Juve and PSG and he'll undoubtedly go down as the best manager in history. All that counts is winners medals.

Disgruntledgoat said:
Weird dislike of all things City... why not introduce yourself in the new members forum?

I mean, he's correct. That Barcelona team could easily have had ANYBODY with a functioning understanding of football win there. And Bayern was pretty muhc a cakewalk.

I think he's a VERY good manager but I do agree with the people who question managers who win but also spend insane amounts of money.

PITA · November 15, 2019

Monster Ultra said:
Top manager Pep, best in the world. Winning trophies with a prime Messi at Barcelona, then going to Bayern who've dominated the Bundesliga with fifteen league titles in the past twenty years and followed by back to Premier Leagues and a domestic treble with the most expensive football team in world football. No comparison. Add in more success with Juve and PSG and he'll undoubtedly go down as the best manager in history. All that counts is winners medals.

I’m coming round to you point of view. Good old Klippety has shown us the way. Hasn’t bought success as he promised he wouldn’t a few years back. Plus he’s such a good bloke. Never ever loses his temper with kids. Never ever moans about the weather. Inspiration to us all.

DixieScoresAgain · November 15, 2019

Monster Ultra said:
Top manager Pep, best in the world. Winning trophies with a prime Messi at Barcelona, then going to Bayern who've dominated the Bundesliga with fifteen league titles in the past twenty years and followed by back to Premier Leagues and a domestic treble with the most expensive football team in world football. No comparison. Add in more success with Juve and PSG and he'll undoubtedly go down as the best manager in history. All that counts is winners medals.

It wasn't just a prime Messi.

It was that World Cup/ 2x Euro championship winning midfield three of Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets.

He really needs that magical three European Cups alongside his name, only 3 managers have done that.

I have a sneaky feeling that his next job will be AC Milan, they have huge Chinese backing and it would be his biggest feat bringing that club back to former glories and breaking Juve's dominance in Italy.

mahermi1 · November 15, 2019

riddick said:
I mean, he's correct. That Barcelona team could easily have had ANYBODY with a functioning understanding of football win there. And Bayern was pretty muhc a cakewalk.

I think he's a VERY good manager but I do agree with the people who question managers who win but also spend insane amounts of money.

Yes like spending £75m on a centre half, (world record at the time), almost 70m on a goalkeeper, (world record at the time) a mere £60m on Keita, to name the last three. This from a manager who promised he wouldn't spend big money on players and who would "find another way".

riddick · November 15, 2019

mahermi1 said:
Yes like spending £75m on a centre half, (world record at the time), almost 70m on a goalkeeper, (world record at the time) a mere £60m on Keita, to name the last three. This from a manager who promised he wouldn't spend big money on players and who would "find another way".

I mean, does that invalidate the point? Would Klopp be here without the insane spending Liverpool did over the last 18months? Would that not put him as a VERY good manager still who won the Bundesliga twice and got to a Champions League final?

mahermi1 · November 16, 2019

riddick said:
I mean, does that invalidate the point? Would Klopp be here without the insane spending Liverpool did over the last 18months? Would that not put him as a VERY good manager still who won the Bundesliga twice and got to a Champions League final?

No and I didn't mean it to, point is, when you spend that amount of money, it certainly helps you become a very good manager. Your team also has to have the profile and position to attract the right type player to.

Yank · November 16, 2019

Walken said:
Except keep a club in the champions league while operating on a profit for a decade, doing so without complaint and with the loyalty to realuse he would be securing a clubs future for the next century. A very very different challange to anything pep has faced

I agree. I don't mean it to take away from Wenger. I think it's the natural course of things. In the late 90's early 2000's, he was the innovator. He took on larger responsibility for the club than Pep does in my opinion. Doesn't Wenger have an economics degree?

I think he is someone who can oversee both the football and the finances of a club, however, if I just want a guy to come in, have his pick of the players and instill his system. I think I'm going with Pep everytime, but I will respect that the financial side of things Arsene is much better at balancing things and taking a larger view outside of just the game. But as a fan I just want to win, I don't care about the rest. That's just me as a fan, I know others probably have different views.

49ers · November 16, 2019

Yank said:
Pep is a 1000x the manager Wenger is. You're either old, or clueless, possibly both.

Pep has success in 3 countries. Wenger had a decent decade, then didn't do bleep for almost 15 years.

Winning the league , 3 times whilst being outspent by in no particular order, rs,Spurs,Chelsea and Man Utd is just decent is it.
Winning the league up against Tapie's corrupt Marseille is just decent is it.
Fergie is in a class of his own , Guardiola is an extraordinary manager but you cannot look at his success and not wonder if he could do it without a Messi or the biggest transfer budget in every league he goes to.
His teams are amazing and play some of the best football but his failure to win the CL without Messi,Xavi and Iniesta will blot his copy ....till he does.....if he does.

d34noj · November 16, 2019

Monster Ultra said:
Top manager Pep, best in the world. Winning trophies with a prime Messi at Barcelona, then going to Bayern who've dominated the Bundesliga with fifteen league titles in the past twenty years and followed by back to Premier Leagues and a domestic treble with the most expensive football team in world football. No comparison. Add in more success with Juve and PSG and he'll undoubtedly go down as the best manager in history. All that counts is winners medals.

Bitter much.

Archer · November 16, 2019

The ultimate cheque book manager. He'll probably leave City at the end of the season and if he does when all's said and done has he really done that great a job with them? Two league titles and a poor record in the Champions League (assuming they don't win it this year which I can't see happening) in four years after his level of obscene spending isn't anything special in reality.