Guardiola to be found out in the premier league

[Maine road Man]

Yeah. Self generated success, built on graft.

Lol. Success built on milking the Munich air disaster more like. Man-ure were a nothing club before then, so much so us 'Citeh' fans refer to them as rags. During the depression of the 1930's, they were so skint they had to come to us for a hand me down (shabby) kit, hence the term rags. During this period their average crowd was a whopping average of 4-500! They even had to play at Maine Road during the 2nd world war when their cess pit was bombed.

Munich was an horrific disaster, and Matt Busby had a very exciting young team cruelly disbanded through the tragic crash on 6th Feb 1958. 8 players lost their lives and several were badly injured to the point of their football career was over.

Most players were housed in club accommodation, and this was commonplace in those days. 3 players, Jackie Blanchflower, Albert Scanlon and Johnny Berry all received eviction notices frim from club as soon as it was known their careers were cut short through injury, yet the club showed no mercy to the players and their families.

It's well known that united had acquired many fans ( Munich sympathisers) since that fateful day, and the club have milked the cash ever since... That is the main reason why MUFC became a global club.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/3650698/The-forgotten-victims-of-Munich.html

 

[KaiserEFC]

Lol. Success built on milking the Munich air disaster more like. Man-ure were a nothing club before then, so much so us 'Citeh' fans refer to them as rags. During the depression of the 1930's, they were so skint they had to come to us for a hand me down (shabby) kit, hence the term rags. During this period their average crowd was a whopping average of 4-500! They even had to play at Maine Road during the 2nd world war when their cess pit was bombed.

Munich was an horrific disaster, and Matt Busby had a very exciting young team cruelly disbanded through the tragic crash on 6th Feb 1958. 8 players lost their lives and several were badly injured to the point of their football career was over.

Most players were housed in club accommodation, and this was commonplace in those days. 3 players, Jackie Blanchflower, Albert Scanlon and Johnny Berry all received eviction notices frim from club as soon as it was known their careers were cut short through injury, yet the club showed no mercy to the players and their families.

It's well known that united had acquired many fans ( Munich sympathisers) since that fateful day, and the club have milked the cash ever since... That is the main reason why MUFC became a global club.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/3650698/The-forgotten-victims-of-Munich.html

So United went on to win 16 league titles following that because of the disaster not in spite of it? Ok mate. I’m sure it didn’t take any graft whatsoever to have a period of dominance English football had never seen before.

 

[Maine road Man]

So United went on to win 16 league titles following that because of the disaster not in spite of it? Ok mate. I’m sure it didn’t take any graft whatsoever to have a period of dominance English football had never seen before.

Of course there was graft mate, only a fool would try and deny what Man-ure have achieved. Busby was a fine manager and what he did was magnificent, especially winning the old European cup in 68. Fergie was/ is the greatest club manager in the English league.

Pity Mark Robbins saved his bacon when he scored with a last minute diving header in the FA cup third round in 1990. It was a defining moment, and the rest is history as they say.

But I'm happy enough that city are creating history with brilliant football. I still regard every trophy as a bonus rather than an expectation, and that is the difference between City fans and rags. And the RS for that matter.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Fergie was/ is the greatest club manager in the English league.

I take issue with this statement.

As a lifelong Evertonian it pains me to say so, but the greatest Manager in the English League was the Scots guy from across the park.

Ferguson INHERITED a football empire, already in the top flight, winning things in recent times, and financially secure. Shankly went into a club going nowhere with average second division players and unfortunately turned it into the monolith we came to know at the time during his tenure. No comparison - Shankly bests him, hands down...

 

[Maine road Man]

I take issue with this statement.

As a lifelong Evertonian it pains me to say so, but the greatest Manager in the English League was the Scots guy from across the park.

Ferguson INHERITED a football empire, already in the top flight, winning things in recent times, and financially secure. Shankly went into a club going nowhere with average second division players and unfortunately turned it into the monolith we came to know at the time during his tenure. No comparison - Shankly bests him, hands down...

"Ferguson INHERITED a football empire,"

What, you mean inherited a football empire left by Docherty Sexton and Atkinson? They were well and truly in Liverpool's shadow mate, only winning the odd token cup to appease their fans old enough to remember a proper manager in Busby. Fergie changed the club from top to bottom, getting rid of troublesome boozers in Robson McGrath and Whiteside. My mate saw them regularly drunk staggering out of his local in Altrincham at 3am, only to be playing 12 hours later. Fergie soon sussed this and weeded them out. He kept a close eye on players and their drinking habits and also introduced healthy eating into the players diet. I'm not doubting Shankly was a great manager, he was one of the best ever, if not the best. But it's all about personal opinion.

 

[Old Blue 2]

"Ferguson INHERITED a football empire,"

What, you mean inherited a football empire left by Docherty Sexton and Atkinson? They were well and truly in Liverpool's shadow mate, only winning the odd token cup to appease their fans old enough to remember a proper manager in Busby. Fergie changed the club from top to bottom, getting rid of troublesome boozers in Robson McGrath and Whiteside. My mate saw them regularly drunk staggering out of his local in Altrincham at 3am, only to be playing 12 hours later. Fergie soon sussed this and weeded them out. He kept a close eye on players and their drinking habits and also introduced healthy eating into the players diet. I'm not doubting Shankly was a great manager, he was one of the best ever, if not the best. But it's all about personal opinion.

Unfortunately for you in the same city, yes they were a football empire, already in the top flight, winning things in recent times, and financially secure, as I said. The RS on the other hand, when Shankly went in there, were absolutely nowhere in the second division. For Ferguson, the whole structure was in place; for Shankly, there was nothing. Unfortunately for us in our city, Shankly built something that endured well beyond the point when he left in the mid-'70s, and, sad to say, totally eclipsed us most of the time (1966 FA Cup, and two league titles notwithstanding).

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Unfortunately for you in the same city, yes they were a football empire, already in the top flight, winning things in recent times, and financially secure, as I said. The RS on the other hand, when Shankly went in there, were absolutely nowhere in the second division. For Ferguson, the whole structure was in place; for Shankly, there was nothing. Unfortunately for us in our city, Shankly built something that endured well beyond the point when he left in the mid-'70s, and, sad to say, totally eclipsed us most of the time (1966 FA Cup, and two league titles notwithstanding).

Interesting conversation on the 'greatest manager ' . Ferguson did exceptionally well with Aberdeen then came to Utd when they were a bit of a joke really. Despite their ability to buy the best players they hadn't been champions for decades, had been relegated and had only been notable for being knockout specialists. So what he built and achieved there undoubtedly puts him in contention for 'the best'.
Shankly was a nasty, snide , big gobbed, bottom feeding Scot who single handedly created the enmity which now exists between us. He also did build a very good RS team. But it was Paisley who drove them to heights, he often gets overlooked which goes to show how having a big gob can ensure your overblown status way beyond your lifetime.
For me the greatest manager (in my lifetime at least ) was Brian Clough , along with Taylor. He delivered the title to Derby and made Nott. Forest into European champions, twice! No competition in my eyes it has to be Cloughie.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

Interesting conversation on the 'greatest manager ' . Ferguson did exceptionally well with Aberdeen then came to Utd when they were a bit of a joke really. Despite their ability to buy the best players they hadn't been champions for decades, had been relegated and had only been notable for being knockout specialists. So what he built and achieved there undoubtedly puts him in contention for 'the best'.
Shankly was a nasty, snide , big gobbed, bottom feeding Scot who single handedly created the enmity which now exists between us. He also did build a very good RS team. But it was Paisley who drove them to heights, he often gets overlooked which goes to show how having a big gob can ensure your overblown status way beyond your lifetime.
For me the greatest manager (in my lifetime at least ) was Brian Clough , along with Taylor. He delivered the title to Derby and made Nott. Forest into European champions, twice! No competition in my eyes it has to be Cloughie.

Yes beat me to it
Brian Clough
What he done at forest will never be equalled

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Yes beat me to it
Brian Clough
What he done at forest will never be equalled

Flopped at Leeds.
Relegated Forest
Only 17 trophies.

This fraud doedn't deserve to mentioned in the same thread as the genius Guardiola.

Damn it, where's that sarcasm font when you need it

 

[Old Blue 2]

Shankly was a nasty, snide , big gobbed, bottom feeding Scot who single handedly created the enmity which now exists between us. He also did build a very good RS team. But it was Paisley who drove them to heights, he often gets overlooked which goes to show how having a big gob can ensure your overblown status way beyond your lifetime.

Strange you say that, when Shankly himself said that Everton treated him better than the RS when he quit as Manager. Shankly was a sharp, micky-taking, Manager, and if you construes that as nasty, snide, big-gobbed, bottom-feeding person, I do wonder at which part of the world you are from. I have to say he fitted in with the tempo and tenor of the city. Where you also get the idea that he built the emnity that now exists completely escapes me. Were you actually around in Liverpool in the 1960s/1970s...?

 

[Pabbers]

Broke the 1000 passss mark in todays game, teams just give up against them.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

First of many league titles for Pep

The vaults must be ripe

 

[carolinablue232]

he's dreadful, and performs average at best, if you can't see Stones is the main man in that city defence while Kompany is out, there really is no hope for you, it's painfully obvious to anyone watching

Eh hem. Main main, world class, and yet 4th choice and for sale? Main man my arse.

 

[dead_soft]

Lol. Success built on milking the Munich air disaster more like. Man-ure were a nothing club before then, so much so us 'Citeh' fans refer to them as rags. During the depression of the 1930's, they were so skint they had to come to us for a hand me down (shabby) kit, hence the term rags. During this period their average crowd was a whopping average of 4-500! They even had to play at Maine Road during the 2nd world war when their cess pit was bombed.

Munich was an horrific disaster, and Matt Busby had a very exciting young team cruelly disbanded through the tragic crash on 6th Feb 1958. 8 players lost their lives and several were badly injured to the point of their football career was over.

Most players were housed in club accommodation, and this was commonplace in those days. 3 players, Jackie Blanchflower, Albert Scanlon and Johnny Berry all received eviction notices frim from club as soon as it was known their careers were cut short through injury, yet the club showed no mercy to the players and their families.

It's well known that united had acquired many fans ( Munich sympathisers) since that fateful day, and the club have milked the cash ever since... That is the main reason why MUFC became a global club.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/3650698/The-forgotten-victims-of-Munich.html

You come across as everything people hate about fans of new money teams and, to be fair, the fans who go onto other forums to talk about their club.

 

[longers]

Article in the paper that shall not be named saying City want to sell Stones !

Surprising that they would get rid this early but he's not exactly set the world on fire since joining.