2018/19 Gylfi Sigurdsson

[sageyefc]

He need to plays in a diamond or 3 man midfield.
Not as a traditional 10 or second striker waiting for the ball to come out of the build up.
rather he should be integral to the build up - combined with a Cahill role (younger version).
He should be deeper doing a lot of the graft both in defence and attack.
But from there, he is perfectly positioned to play to his attacking strengths - to put those delightful passes into the forwards and/or make the ghosting runs into the box with the intelligence and skill to be lethal.

We've seen him played deeper few times in recent weeks, he was gash

 

[BlueToff]

He need to plays in a diamond or 3 man midfield.
Not as a traditional 10 or second striker waiting for the ball to come out of the build up.
rather he should be integral to the build up - combined with a Cahill role (younger version).
He should be deeper doing a lot of the graft both in defence and attack.
But from there, he is perfectly positioned to play to his attacking strengths - to put those delightful passes into the forwards and/or make the ghosting runs into the box with the intelligence and skill to be lethal.

I'd say the strength of having him in the second striker role is his graft. Him and Richarlison - who I think dovetailed together really well - put in so much work pressing defences and narrowing passing angles. Look at the job they both did on Jorginho. Or the goal v Brighton. Or the pass that came from Gylfi to Richarlison in both the derby and then for the penalty at Old Trafford.

But yeh, I'd also agree with trying a three, especially against teams who are going to sit back.

I'm not sure on a diamond if we have the personnel to currently make it work.

 

[Deleted member 43796]

Needs to be in a 3 man midfield for me, with someone alongside him (8) with legs to press for 90 mins and make the late runs into the box, and someone else (6) purely screening the back 4, dropping in when full backs push on, and making sure they create the angles off the ball when in possession so we can overload the midfield and play through the middle for once.
Gana probably could play the '6' role, not sure that for all the mercurial talent Gomes possesses with the ball, whether he could be shoehorned into a midfield alongside Sigurdsson.
Then we can play with three forwards (currently Bernard - Richarlison - Lookman/Walcott) who can receive the ball in the channels rather than on the touchline with their backs to goal

 

[Brisan123]

That`s not very nice Richard or do you prefer to be called Ricky ?

Please stop it now.

I think he prefers to be called [Poor language removed]
I know a few lads have their eye on him for obvious reasons

 

[Blue Roo]

Don’t care about Iceland and he hasn’t got what you described. He hides quite regularly and has done throughout his career
He’ll be forgotten about rather quickly once his Everton career ends

Think Silva thinks he's best trying to find lateral space out of the build up.
The fact that the opposition defences are reading this, the fact that there is distinct lack of movement and quality in moving the ball around to make this happen, means he doesn't receive the ball enough in positions he's meant to - its not hiding.

 

[Blue Roo]

We've seen him played deeper few times in recent weeks, he was gash

Just putting him there doesn't itself solve the issue

 

[Brisan123]

If hes on £150k a week then thats £600k a month or £7.2mil a year.

If our total player wages are £140mil approx, is he worth 5% of our total wage bill?

I think not.

Well that’s 1/20 of our wage bill
With a proper squad of 25/26 players , with a few being young players on low ( by comparison ) money I actually think he’s underpaid for a creative goal scoring midfielder

 

[Charro]

Can’t be arsed with him.

One of the least creative attacking midfielders in the league and has about ten touches a game.

Silva feels a need to play him because of what we paid for him and his ability to smash one in randomly, but in terms of how he wants his teams to play there’s no role for someone like Sigurdsson.

Keep a close eye on him tomorrow if anyone is at the match.

Just watch how little his in space to receive the ball. Good players find space. He doesn’t

 

[cronullasharks]

How many systems we gonna implement or new players we gonna buy just to try and get the best out of him ? Maybe, just maybe this is as good as it gets, the odd flash of brilliance and the majority of games passing him by.

 

[Blue Roo]

I'd say the strength of having him in the second striker role is his graft. Him and Richarlison - who I think dovetailed together really well - put in so much work pressing defences and narrowing passing angles. Look at the job they both did on Jorginho. Or the goal v Brighton. Or the pass that came from Gylfi to Richarlison in both the derby and then for the penalty at Old Trafford.

But yeh, I'd also agree with trying a three, especially against teams who are going to sit back.

I'm not sure on a diamond if we have the personnel to currently make it work.

The Brighton goal is a good reference point.
Takes the ball deep off the far side of a corner with loads of space to counter.
He's got the drive to take it most of the way. He make Bernard (a winger!) look like an u15yr old.
Sets ups Rico for the goal - but that's in space on the counter, not from usual build up.

The first attack of that game also illustrates perfectly what Silva is trying to do.
Quick attack from midfield wing, Sig then gets space to move quickly into box to receive cut back from Coleman.
He fluffs his lines, maybe put off by Walcott who should of being drawing players away.
But its a poor coach who is basing his strategy on these moments. There has to be more of a foundation.

I reckon the solution is to get Gylfi more often in the build up in tight - once the play leaves that area he is then able to make runs and find space to receive it back, ideally. You keep trying that all the way up the park.
The tactics change once the space is squeezed. He can still pick the moments to get into the box, but positioning him there is not playing to his strengths or the teams strengths.
As argued before, the graft you talk about with Rico, would be better done by Bernard.
Both Bernard and Gomes play better if positioned in attacking tight spaces, in contrast to Sig moving into them
Also Sig's got the engine to cover and get back and defend with Gana when the ball is lost.

Agree we don't have the players atm for a diamond.
It doesn't work because we have Gana.
If you have Sig and Gomes either side of DM it needs to be one with better quality on the ball.
A DM good enough to dictate play from one side to the other.
This also allows a player like Bernard to play the attacking point of the diamond.
But we also would be left with Rico and Walcott leading the line, maybe Rico and Lookman. Not sure that would be good enough.

If they are going to stick with Gylfi then Decoure would be a step in the right direction, not exactly the answer but better on the ball.

A decision has to be made, either get someone like Decoure with intent to upgrade and keep Sig and Gomes.
Or keep Gana and get two exceptional ball playing midfielders either side of him.
With Gana and one other not being an option.

 

[devogue]

Hasn't been good since the Chelsea game.

 

[mkrudden]

Can’t be arsed with him.

One of the least creative attacking midfielders in the league and has about ten touches a game.

Silva feels a need to play him because of what we paid for him and his ability to smash one in randomly, but in terms of how he wants his teams to play there’s no role for someone like Sigurdsson.

Keep a close eye on him tomorrow if anyone is at the match.

Just watch how little his in space to receive the ball. Good players find space. He doesn’t

Eh?

The stats that prove Everton's Gylfi Sigurdsson is the Premier League's most creative player

Passes by Gylfi Sigurdsson result in a goalscoring opportunity more regularly than any other player in the Premier League.

The Everton midfielder has made 511 passes in league matches this season.


A total of 43 of those have created a goalscoring opportunity for a teammate according to data from Opta.

That works out at one chance for every 11.9 passes - a better ratio than any other player in the division to have made at least 500 passes.

Everton boss Marco Silva won't use lack of January transfers as excuse

Bournemouth’s Ryan Fraser has the next best record with once chance created every 12.9 passes.

Mo Salah comes next with one every 13.0 passes followed by James Maddison (15.4) and Robert Snodgrass (16.3).


Chelsea’s Jorginho hit the headlines recently when it was revealed that the Italian has made 1,896 passes in the league this season -

more than any other player - but has yet to record an assist.

The former Napoli player has only created 11 goal scoring opportunities this season according to Opta’s data.

That works out as just one for every 172.4 passes.

Willian, meanwhile, has created 49 chances, or one for every 16.6 passes.

[DATA TABLES]


[Passes per chance created]

Gylfi Sigurdsson // 11.9

Ryan Fraser // 12.9

Mohamed Salah // 13.0

James Maddison // 15.4

Robert Snodgrass // 16.3

Willian // 16.6

Víctor Camarasa // 16.9

Andros Townsend // 16.9

Matt Ritchie // 17.4

Raheem Sterling // 17.4

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[Timak]

Eh?

The stats that prove Everton's Gylfi Sigurdsson is the Premier League's most creative player

Passes by Gylfi Sigurdsson result in a goalscoring opportunity more regularly than any other player in the Premier League.

The Everton midfielder has made 511 passes in league matches this season.


A total of 43 of those have created a goalscoring opportunity for a teammate according to data from Opta.

That works out at one chance for every 11.9 passes - a better ratio than any other player in the division to have made at least 500 passes.


https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...rdsson-15667133.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Literally the worst use of stats I've ever seen.

A player who doesn't touch the ball in open play but takes all the set pieces has the most chances created per pass.

Well colour me surprised.

His open play expected goals + assists is the 40th highest in the league - behind James McArthur for example.

 

[messymascot]

While he's here we need to play to his strengths hopefully in the summer we will get an offer that is acceptable and we can build a team more like Silva wants. If we cant move him on we need to look at getting people in that will compliment his style.

 

[Zatara]

Apologies, should rephrase that.
In terms of quality, experience, mentality,
not so in terms of performance - I put that down more to the manager.

Either Gylfi goes or Silva sorts it out....or Silva goes, would be my take on it.

In that case See you later gylfi

Definitely not this

I can't see how anyone could question it.
He's got drive, guts and a winners mentality to go with a good deal of smarts.
When he represents Iceland its obvious.
There have been times this season when he has looked lost and out of sorts.
But to question his this is really to point the finger at Silva.
There are games we would have def lost this season without his lung busting runs, both in attack and defence.
He's got an engine to go with the class.
His middle name is Thor ffs.

Either Silva does not know how, or does not want to, harness what Gylfi's got.
Silva's (and Gylfi's) problem is probably his two best players (Gana) contradict each other.

And also, still no

Don’t care about Iceland and he hasn’t got what you described. He hides quite regularly and has done throughout his career

He’ll be forgotten about rather quickly once his Everton career ends

Can’t be arsed with him.

One of the least creative attacking midfielders in the league and has about ten touches a game.

Silva feels a need to play him because of what we paid for him and his ability to smash one in randomly, but in terms of how he wants his teams to play there’s no role for someone like Sigurdsson.

Keep a close eye on him tomorrow if anyone is at the match.

Just watch how little his in space to receive the ball. Good players find space. He doesn’t

How many systems we gonna implement or new players we gonna buy just to try and get the best out of him ? Maybe, just maybe this is as good as it gets, the odd flash of brilliance and the majority of games passing him by.

The Brighton goal is a good reference point.
Takes the ball deep off the far side of a corner with loads of space to counter.
He's got the drive to take it most of the way. He make Bernard (a winger!) look like an u15yr old.
Sets ups Rico for the goal - but that's in space on the counter, not from usual build up.

The first attack of that game also illustrates perfectly what Silva is trying to do.
Quick attack from midfield wing, Sig then gets space to move quickly into box to receive cut back from Coleman.
He fluffs his lines, maybe put off by Walcott who should of being drawing players away.
But its a poor coach who is basing his strategy on these moments. There has to be more of a foundation.

I reckon the solution is to get Gylfi more often in the build up in tight - once the play leaves that area he is then able to make runs and find space to receive it back, ideally. You keep trying that all the way up the park.
The tactics change once the space is squeezed. He can still pick the moments to get into the box, but positioning him there is not playing to his strengths or the teams strengths.
As argued before, the graft you talk about with Rico, would be better done by Bernard.
Both Bernard and Gomes play better if positioned in attacking tight spaces, in contrast to Sig moving into them
Also Sig's got the engine to cover and get back and defend with Gana when the ball is lost.

Agree we don't have the players atm for a diamond.
It doesn't work because we have Gana.
If you have Sig and Gomes either side of DM it needs to be one with better quality on the ball.
A DM good enough to dictate play from one side to the other.
This also allows a player like Bernard to play the attacking point of the diamond.
But we also would be left with Rico and Walcott leading the line, maybe Rico and Lookman. Not sure that would be good enough.

If they are going to stick with Gylfi then Decoure would be a step in the right direction, not exactly the answer but better on the ball.

A decision has to be made, either get someone like Decoure with intent to upgrade and keep Sig and Gomes.
Or keep Gana and get two exceptional ball playing midfielders either side of him.
With Gana and one other not being an option.

Literally the worst use of stats I've ever seen.

A player who doesn't touch the ball in open play but takes all the set pieces has the most chances created per pass.

Well colour me surprised.

His open play expected goals + assists is the 40th highest in the league - behind James McArthur for example.

He was awful last season and we were told its because he was on the left.

Then he was played in the centre and was great for a few games...now hes back to normal.

Its got nothing whatsoever to do with silva misusing him...hes literally playing a formation which suits sigurdsson...one silva has not used before, just to accomodate him.

He was taking all the set pieces so of course he will create chances + hes playing ACM and we have not had anyone else who can create aside from Bernard (and lookman whose rarely played).

Hes detrimental to the team structure and we look top heavy in midfield...

We need him at the moment but come summer i hope hes sold though think its mission impossible for anyone to be stupid enough to sign him.