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2017/18 Gylfi Sigurdsson

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Did this turn into a Gylfi vs Vlasic-thread? Thats unfair to Vlasic, who’s a good player, but Gylfis boots are made of dynamite.
Im all for Vlasic being cover for Walcott, and before Theo came I would have prefered Vlasic on the right wing, but right now he’s rightfully being pushed out of our first team by better players.
 
Vlasic hasn't done anything? Are you having a laugh mate.

He is winger that has linked up the best with Gylfi when Players Lennon/Mirallas/Lookman didn't.

Much better than anything that Bolasie has done this season. He has shown that he can play LW/RW/ST/CM/AM for us.

Scored what should've been the winner against Limassol (which we fluffed in the 88th minute after they received a red card) and proceeded to score & assist against Limassol in the 2nd leg.

Yes he was bad against West Brom, but we had Schneiderlin/McCarthy in midfield & Tosun/Sigurdsson both playing poorly.

Against United Gylfi didn't play, and he was really good for the first 60 minutes. He was poor after getting tired from lack of minutes this season.

Third of all, Vlasic is extremely good defensively. He was poor in the last 30 minutes against United, but that's because of how tired he was. Big Sam was a fool for not taking him off.



Mangala was 50/50 today, made a few errors but provided some good crosses/passes while Keane's were atrocious.

IMO both him & Funes Mori are capable of playing LB, but I chose Mangala at LB specifically because in 12/13 he played 20 out of 40 matches in all competitions there.

Funes Mori is the better CB, but if Mangala is out injured for awhile I'd like to see RFM at LB until Baines or Mangala returns. With Williams, Holgate or Jagielka next to Keane.



Have we seen Rooney & Gylfi play centrally alongside Gueye? Does Rooney offer more than Sigurdsson centrally?

Davies & Gueye are very similar players, Rooney & Davies are polar opposite. IMO only 1 of Davies/Rooney should be playing.



I've liked Bolasie as a player for many years, but his injury has had a massive hit on his pace. He went from being extremely fast to a slow player.

He isn't clinical or very technical either. He has poor decision making, low football IQ & is bad at defending.

Vlasic in comparison, is very clinical & technical, has great decision making, high football IQ, and is excellent at defending.

I'd like to see Cenk start there, but I'm sick of Niasse being upfront so I chose that instead.



You've been slagging him off for months. You only have to go a few pages back to see how much you loathe him.

Some of you clearly have a problem with him.

Either you blindly thought he was worse than Barkley, only a set piece merchant/etc, or you were against the transfer since you first heard it during the summer, resulting in your fickle bitter attitude regarding him.

Gylfi already has 12 goals/assists in all competitions this season, he finished off with 23 last season.

He could very easily create another 11 goals in the remaining 11 PL matches of the season. Especially if it is 2 like he did today.
Fairly sure I've never said anything particularly negative about him. I like gylfi I just don't think he's the Messiah (which is where we differ) and I don't think we should have bought him for 45m.
 
Very good game and a very good player.
He is, was vastly overpriced at what we paid for him but in terms of the value for money from this seasons signings is up there as one of our best. He didn't set the price tag and after missing pre season he took a while to get going but has been a good signing and is someone we can rely on in future which can't be said of many of the players we signed this season.
 

He is, was vastly overpriced at what we paid for him but in terms of the value for money from this seasons signings is up there as one of our best. He didn't set the price tag and after missing pre season he took a while to get going but has been a good signing and is someone we can rely on in future which can't be said of many of the players we signed this season.

He’s already had the same return in goals as the player he was brought to replace had last season and he missed the whole of August.

People slating him on here straight away was and is typical GOT.

Make ridiculous knee jerk comments based on a player after a couple of games and take an instant dislike just because he’s better than one of our home grown (Barkley).

Like you said, he didn’t determine the fee, it’s the going rate for quality these days.
 
Think he has shook off the price tag and is playing with more enjoyment. You can see he is a work horse but with great skills. Theo seems to be on his wavelength and when they are close to each other Theo creates the space for Siggy to thread through. Seen it quite a few times since Theo has come. The better the player around him the better Siggy is. He cannot win games on his lonesome and needs a team around him to flourish. At Swansea he had great understanding with several players and at Everton he has struggled to find an understanding with so many static players.
 

I think brilliant is blown out of proportion, our only decent outlet that day was Bolasie. He was a nuisance and made us look semi decent in the first half against UTD.

I can't recall specific games because I barely care to be honest, but if you were to trawl back through this thread enough you'd find examples. It was a hot topic for a while concerning vlasic, even sure a manager or Vlasic himself called him/himself out for it.

Vlasic can improve and should be an asset next season hopefully.

Siggy has actually played as a winger a lot in his career so if Vlasic is a winger, then Siggy is too. Also, you're mad if you think Vlasic is better than Siggy defensively when one of Siggys main perks is that he is actually decent defensively and puts in a proper shift.

Few people rate Sigurdsson as high as I do, but Sigurdsson's lack of pace results in him being left in the dust when marking on the flanks.

Vlasic is better at heading, he's stronger, he's equally if not better at intercepting, tackling & stealing possession.

On the flank there is no question who I'd prefer having, both offensively and defensively.

Yes, one of Sigurdsson's main perks is how good he is defensively.. Relative to other Playmakers. Vlasic's IMO is better.

Jesus, Davies and Gana are different players.

Two small CM's that heavily rely on pace, dribbling & are good at tackling/intercepting? Hardly very different.


Davies is the only thing we have that resembles a box to box player that can link D to our offense and you want to sit him for Vlasic? Who out of Rooney or Gylfi would play that role? We’ve played well like twice in months and it’s not a coincidence Gana and Davies were in the midfield.

Gylfi is a box-to-box midfielder for Iceland. He plays CM/DM all the time for Iceland, which he also did at the Euro's.

And no, Vlasic is not a winger. Neither is Sigurdsson.

I mean, you can continue repeating yourself. It doesn't make it any less true.

Vlasic is 100% a winger, it's his strongest position. He can play centrally or upfront but they're not his strongest positions.

Doesn’t mean they can’t play on the left, but they aren’t wingers like Bolasie. If you are fixated on playing a winger, you’d play Bolasie.

Okay, so they're left midfielders but not left wingers? Huh.

Bolasie might be a winger, but if I were to apply the same logic towards him that you're using regarding Vlasic, then ''Bolasie isn't a winger because he played upfront/centrally once & now isn't a winger anymore''

That makes as little sense as the point you're trying to make. Vlasic is a pure bred winger with both footed finishing, crossing & passing. The fact that he is clinical upfront, good at distributing & exceptional at defending does not mean he isn't a winger.

Honestly, if you think Vlasic is miles better than Sigurdsson offensively and defensively, beyond being literally the only one on the entire earth that thinks that, you’d just have him play for Siggy, you wouldn’t sit Davies.

Vlasic is miles better offensive and defensively on the wing. Not upfront or centrally.

I'm one of the few people in the world that puts Gylfi in the same caliber of Playmakers as KDB/Ozil/Countinho/Fabregas, it doesn't change the fact that his stats & ability prove it.

Davies has maybe 2-4 good performances out of every 10 matches he plays, he hardly warrants a starting position in our strongest possible XI.

There are hundreds of players that would do a better job than him for us. Sigurdsson could very easily replace him centrally, and it wouldn't surprise me if Vlasic or Klaassen would do better either.

We tried to sign another CM/DM in January for a reason. If Davies were good enough then we wouldn't have gone for N'Zonzi.

Mate martina is played 90% of the time at LB ... that mean he is one?

Defensively Martina has shown that he is good enough to be a LB in the PL, however his lack of ability going forward isn't even Championship caliber.

Martina at RB was ''PL caliber'' in attack, but not even Championship in defense. It seems like he prioritizes defense over offense at LB, and offense over defense at RB.

So yes, he is a LB. He has been selected in whoscored's team of the week several times this season, IIRC 3 weeks in a row.

Did this turn into a Gylfi vs Vlasic-thread? Thats unfair to Vlasic, who’s a good player, but Gylfis boots are made of dynamite.
Im all for Vlasic being cover for Walcott, and before Theo came I would have prefered Vlasic on the right wing, but right now he’s rightfully being pushed out of our first team by better players.

I'm absolutely not trying to compare the two as overall players, merely as wingers.

You'll struggle to find someone that rates both players as high as I do, but as a winger there is no doubt that I would prefer Vlasic.

Sigurdsson can play much better as a striker, playmaker or central midfielder. But he is not a better winger.

I wouldn't play Vlasic on the right, he becomes too predictable because everybody knows he is just going to cross it in. On the left he can cut inside & shoot, run down the flank & cross, linkup with Sigurdsson or someone else..

I also think we need more help defending on the left rather than the right. We have Walcott/Coleman there, who are both good enough defensively while we're exposed on the left with Sigurdsson/Martina.

Fairly sure I've never said anything particularly negative about him. I like gylfi I just don't think he's the Messiah (which is where we differ) and I don't think we should have bought him for 45m.

There is a reason why you're so hostile whenever you see me or anybody else defend/praise Sigurdsson.

There is a reason why you stalked me on reddit, private messaging me & generally trying to get my attention.

You're obsessed with hating him mate. If he's not ''the Messiah'' and isn't worth £45 million, then what is he and how much should he have cost?

We're talking about a player that statistically outperformed KDB, Ozil, Fabregas, Coutinho, Eriksen, and every other Playmaker in the PL during his time at Swansea.

66 goals & assists in 124 PL matches is no joke. That's a ridiculous record that inconsistent KDB/Ozil/Eriksen/Coutinho cant match.

Yet they're ''Messiah's'' for their respective clubs? Yet Sigurdsson outperformed them in goals & assists during his time at Swansea.

Not only did he outperform them, but he did it with:

Fewer passes.
Worse team mates.
Playing for a team outside the Top 6.
Constantly getting new team mates & managers.

I don't think any Playmaker on the planet could've saved Swansea last season, and I've never seen a Playmaker shoot, cross & pass on both feet like him. I've also never seen a Playmaker defend as well as him, take set pieces as well as him, or play as many different positions/roles as him.

Yet one footed, technically limited or overall lacking players like KDB/Ozil/Coutinho/Eriksen will heap 10x more praise, when Sigurdsson created more goals than all of them with 40-50% fewer passes.

He was better than ALL OF THOSE PLAYERS last season, with Eriksen/KDB only catching up to him in the last 11 matches of the season.

Sigurdsson

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Eriksen

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de Bruyne


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Prior to the last 11 matches:

Gylfi had 8 goals & 11 assists

Eriksen had 5 goals & 10 assists

de Bruyne had 4 goals & 9 assists.

While Gylfi was forced to defend at LW/LB, Eriksen/KDB statpadded in games like 7-1 vs Hull.

More goals/assists in fewer passes = More efficient & effective. Comparing him to the rest of the Playmakers is a mismatch, and Gylfi will sooner or later score & assist at a rate that none of those Playmakers can match, which he did in previous season.



Both footed passes, crosses & shots. Free kicks & set pieces taken from distance, 92% penalty ratio (100% in PL) and great linkup play.

At 1:04 in the video Gylfi takes a shot on goal with his left (blocked), lays off a perfect backheel lay-off pass for Olsson to cross into the box, wins a header to setup Fer's shot on goal (saved), resulting in a corner in which Gylfi immediately assists from.

He did all of this is 50 seconds. It didn't even take him a minute to create 4 goal scoring opportunities, in a fashion that none of the other Playmakers could've replicated.

Judge him all you want, claim that the price was too high & keep babbling on about how much faster & better at dribbling those other Playmakers are. They cant match Gylfi's left foot, let alone his right.
 
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Few people rate Sigurdsson as high as I do, but Sigurdsson's lack of pace results in him being left in the dust when marking on the flanks.

Vlasic is better at heading, he's stronger, he's equally if not better at intercepting, tackling & stealing possession.

On the flank there is no question who I'd prefer having, both offensively and defensively.

Yes, one of Sigurdsson's main perks is how good he is defensively.. Relative to other Playmakers. Vlasic's IMO is better.



Two small CM's that heavily rely on pace, dribbling & are good at tackling/intercepting? Hardly very different.




Gylfi is a box-to-box midfielder for Iceland. He plays CM/DM all the time for Iceland, which he also did at the Euro's.



I mean, you can continue repeating yourself. It doesn't make it any less true.

Vlasic is 100% a winger, it's his strongest position. He can play centrally or upfront but they're not his strongest positions.



Okay, so they're left midfielders but not left wingers? Huh.

Bolasie might be a winger, but if I were to apply the same logic towards him that you're using regarding Vlasic, then ''Bolasie isn't a winger because he played upfront/centrally once & now isn't a winger anymore''

That makes as little sense as the point you're trying to make. Vlasic is a pure bred winger with both footed finishing, crossing & passing. The fact that he is clinical upfront, good at distributing & exceptional at defending does not mean he isn't a winger.



Vlasic is miles better offensive and defensively on the wing. Not upfront or centrally.

I'm one of the few people in the world that puts Gylfi in the same caliber of Playmakers as KDB/Ozil/Countinho/Fabregas, it doesn't change the fact that his stats & ability prove it.

Davies has maybe 2-4 good performances out of every 10 matches he plays, he hardly warrants a starting position in our strongest possible XI.

There are hundreds of players that would do a better job than him for us. Sigurdsson could very easily replace him centrally, and it wouldn't surprise me if Vlasic or Klaassen would do better either.

We tried to sign another CM/DM in January for a reason. If Davies were good enough then we wouldn't have gone for N'Zonzi.



Defensively Martina has shown that he is good enough to be a LB in the PL, however his lack of ability going forward isn't even Championship caliber.

Martina at RB was ''PL caliber'' in attack, but not even Championship in defense. It seems like he prioritizes defense over offense at LB, and offense over defense at RB.

So yes, he is a LB. He has been selected in whoscored's team of the week several times this season, IIRC 3 weeks in a row.



I'm absolutely not trying to compare the two as overall players, merely as wingers.

You'll struggle to find someone that rates both players as high as I do, but as a winger there is no doubt that I would prefer Vlasic.

Sigurdsson can play much better as a striker, playmaker or central midfielder. But he is not a better winger.

I wouldn't play Vlasic on the right, he becomes too predictable because everybody knows he is just going to cross it in. On the left he can cut inside & shoot, run down the flank & cross, linkup with Sigurdsson or someone else..

I also think we need more help defending on the left rather than the right. We have Walcott/Coleman there, who are both good enough defensively while we're exposed on the left with Sigurdsson/Martina.



There is a reason why you're so hostile whenever you see me or anybody else defend/praise Sigurdsson.

There is a reason why you stalked me on reddit, private messaging me & generally trying to get my attention.

You're obsessed with hating him mate. If he's not ''the Messiah'' and isn't worth £45 million, then what is he and how much should he have cost?

We're talking about a player that statistically outperformed KDB, Ozil, Fabregas, Coutinho, Eriksen, and every other Playmaker in the PL during his time at Swansea.

66 goals & assists in 124 PL matches is no joke. That's a ridiculous record that inconsistent KDB/Ozil/Eriksen/Coutinho cant match.

Yet they're ''Messiah's'' for their respective clubs? Yet Sigurdsson outperformed them in goals & assists during his time at Swansea.

Not only did he outperform them, but he did it with:

Fewer passes.
Worse team mates.
Playing for a team outside the Top 6.
Constantly getting new team mates & managers.

I don't think any Playmaker on the planet could've saved Swansea last season, and I've never seen a Playmaker shoot, cross & pass on both feet like him. I've also never seen a Playmaker defend as well as him, take set pieces as well as him, or play as many different positions/roles as him.

Yet one footed, technically limited or overall lacking players like KDB/Ozil/Coutinho/Eriksen will heap 10x more praise, when Sigurdsson created more goals than all of them with 40-50% fewer passes.

He was better than ALL OF THOSE PLAYERS last season, with Eriksen/KDB only catching up to him in the last 11 matches of the season.

Sigurdsson

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Eriksen

IEVC2RfHQTKOcAWJU16zCw.png


de Bruyne


YrHsf03YT1unssbWJjAQeQ.png


Prior to the last 11 matches:

Gylfi had 8 goals & 11 assists

Eriksen had 5 goals & 10 assists

de Bruyne had 4 goals & 9 assists.

While Gylfi was forced to defend at LW/LB, Eriksen/KDB statpadded in games like 7-1 vs Hull.

More goals/assists in fewer passes = More efficient & effective. Comparing him to the rest of the Playmakers is a mismatch, and Gylfi will sooner or later score & assist at a rate that none of those Playmakers can match, which he did in previous season.



Both footed passes, crosses & shots. Free kicks & set pieces taken from distance, 92% penalty ratio (100% in PL) and great linkup play.

At 1:04 in the video Gylfi takes a shot on goal with his left (blocked), lays off a perfect backheel lay-off pass for Olsson to cross into the box, wins a header to setup Fer's shot on goal (saved), resulting in a corner in which Gylfi immediately assists from.

He did all of this is 50 seconds. It didn't even take him a minute to create 4 goal scoring opportunities, in a fashion that none of the other Playmakers could've replicated.

Judge him all you want, claim that the price was too high & keep babbling on about how much faster & better at dribbling those other Playmakers are. They cant match Gylfi's left foot, let alone his right.

Can honestly say I've never sent a private message to anyone on Reddit let alone you pal, I just commented in a thread about gylfi where you were insulting people that I'd also seen your antics on Everton forums and that people shouldn't pay too much attention.

Anyway, lovely essay, looks like a day well spent for you.
 

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