2017/18 Gylfi Sigurdsson

[CRIMHEAD]

I’m perfectly content mate and those stats just reinforce my opinion of him like when he was at Swansea. The stat boys love him but he does pretty nothing else during the game.

Interesting that 3 of the 4 items listed were just after our little run with the fat man

Maybe I’m just more accustomed to a talented player stamping his authority on a game rather than... err, well making the stat list

Yeah, it sucks that keep producing goals either directly or via assists. That's the stuff that only statheads care about. He really needs to hold the ball more and do nothing with it. Then he'd be boss!

 

[Timak]

I’m perfectly content mate and those stats just reinforce my opinion of him like when he was at Swansea. The stat boys love him but he does pretty nothing else during the game.

Interesting that 3 of the 4 items listed were just after our little run with the fat man

Maybe I’m just more accustomed to a talented player stamping his authority on a game rather than... err, well making the stat list

I'm a stat lover. Gylfi perfectly illustrates poor stat usage.
Take every set piece and you will automatically have high chance creation stats.

 

[msb]

I'm a stat lover. Gylfi perfectly illustrates poor stat usage.
Take every set piece and you will automatically have high chance creation stats.

In the same way that if you study stats long enough, you'll always find something to support your argument, even when its wrong.

 

[nsno-chris]

Yeah, it sucks that keep producing goals either directly or via assists. That's the stuff that only statheads care about. He really needs to hold the ball more and do nothing with it. Then he'd be boss!

Good players tend to come into a team and genuinely improve it by stamping their authority on matches on a regular occurrence. I’d take that over a couple of corners or free kicks, after didn’t DCL have more assists than him and I’m sure that cart horse bolasie wasn’t far behind.

The ironic thing is if he actually did what I’m saying and he started making us tick then people would be quick to point it out to me.

 

[BlueToff]

Considering he supposedly carried an awful Swansea team whilst there, he went missing a lot for me Toff when he joined us, especially early doors. Later on he ran around a lot and nothing much else, before his injury he showed glimpses, nothing more though.

All about opinions though mate, fingers crossed he makes me eat my words this season.

Fair enough mate, but I posted a few Opta stats earlier that debunk the 'he didn't do a lot' point there.

He created our most chances, contributed to a lot of goals and covered a lot of ground, in a team completely geared to defend.

In his first 10 games he was crap, I agree - but I've put the caveats in my post as well. It's not a full excuse, his performances were down to him, but no pre season, no system and no clue from Koeman or Unsowrth certainly didn't help.

 

[BlueToff]

Good players tend to come into a team and genuinely improve it by stamping their authority on matches on a regular occurrence. I’d take that over a couple of corners or free kicks, after didn’t DCL have more assists than him and I’m sure that cart horse bolasie wasn’t far behind.

The ironic thing is if he actually did what I’m saying and he started making us tick then people would be quick to point it out to me.

Gylfi has never been a player that makes teams tick.

This is what has baffled me all along about people having a go at him for not doing that.

I said it last year. Don't expect a player who comes in and runs a game. It isn't him. It never has been and never will be.

He's a hard worker who can play a few different roles but also has a real touch of quality. He operates on the edge of the final third and that's where he's at his best - finishing moves by either shooting or providing the assist. Throw into that his set-piece quality, although we hardly ever actually won a free-kick that was in that zone on the edge of the area where he'd be able to have a go at goal.

But he isn't a player who will get on the ball from deep and spread 50 yard passes or keep the play ticking over. He's the player that is ahead of the player that does that.

Which is why Rooney suddenly looked so sluggish after Gylfi's injury. Rooney was picking up the ball on our 30 yard line, to use a Rugby reference, and then had nobody in front of him making the movement that Gylfi did.

When they were playing together, we at least saw Rooney be able to get it into Gylfi and then move into space, and the link up was good. In the game against Leicester, for example, that was really prevalent, with Walcott then able to get involved as both Rooney and Gylfi moved upfield.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

Good players tend to come into a team and genuinely improve it by stamping their authority on matches on a regular occurrence. I’d take that over a couple of corners or free kicks, after didn’t DCL have more assists than him and I’m sure that cart horse bolasie wasn’t far behind.

The ironic thing is if he actually did what I’m saying and he started making us tick then people would be quick to point it out to me.

Again, creating goals is what wins matches. He’s done it his entire career and not just from free kicks. He has a touch of quality in the final third that few have. If you want someone to hold the ball all game, that’s fine, but it takes both and that’s a preference of style over substance.

I’m also advocating we have a better central midfielder that can carry the ball a bit. Another winger that can hold it a bit, too. Lots of movement and good passing. But that’s not him and that’s FINE.

 

[Nyhus]

Most likely...of we could effectively 'swap' Gylfi for someone 8 years younger for the same price, would you?

Thinking like this works in FM, but not IRL.

 

[Nyhus]

Gylfi has never been a player that makes teams tick.

This is what has baffled me all along about people having a go at him for not doing that.

I said it last year. Don't expect a player who comes in and runs a game. It isn't him. It never has been and never will be.

He's a hard worker who can play a few different roles but also has a real touch of quality. He operates on the edge of the final third and that's where he's at his best - finishing moves by either shooting or providing the assist. Throw into that his set-piece quality, although we hardly ever actually won a free-kick that was in that zone on the edge of the area where he'd be able to have a go at goal.

But he isn't a player who will get on the ball from deep and spread 50 yard passes or keep the play ticking over. He's the player that is ahead of the player that does that.

Which is why Rooney suddenly looked so sluggish after Gylfi's injury. Rooney was picking up the ball on our 30 yard line, to use a Rugby reference, and then had nobody in front of him making the movement that Gylfi did.

When they were playing together, we at least saw Rooney be able to get it into Gylfi and then move into space, and the link up was good. In the game against Leicester, for example, that was really prevalent, with Walcott then able to get involved as both Rooney and Gylfi moved upfield.

Very good post. I think too many though him more of a gerrard-type player, which he isnt.

Edit;
Sorry for double post, its 7 in the morning for gods sake

 

[Zatara]

Gylfi has never been a player that makes teams tick.

This is what has baffled me all along about people having a go at him for not doing that.

I said it last year. Don't expect a player who comes in and runs a game. It isn't him. It never has been and never will be.

He's a hard worker who can play a few different roles but also has a real touch of quality. He operates on the edge of the final third and that's where he's at his best - finishing moves by either shooting or providing the assist. Throw into that his set-piece quality, although we hardly ever actually won a free-kick that was in that zone on the edge of the area where he'd be able to have a go at goal.

But he isn't a player who will get on the ball from deep and spread 50 yard passes or keep the play ticking over. He's the player that is ahead of the player that does that.

Which is why Rooney suddenly looked so sluggish after Gylfi's injury. Rooney was picking up the ball on our 30 yard line, to use a Rugby reference, and then had nobody in front of him making the movement that Gylfi did.

When they were playing together, we at least saw Rooney be able to get it into Gylfi and then move into space, and the link up was good. In the game against Leicester, for example, that was really prevalent, with Walcott then able to get involved as both Rooney and Gylfi moved upfield.

Makes sense.

How would you feel about him as an 8 and the special player ahead of him?

 

[BlueIceman]

Doesn't create in open play?

 

[ilikecheese]

Makes sense.

How would you feel about him as an 8 and the special player ahead of him?

Zat has me on ignore. Can someone tell him he is beyond weird for me, please?

Thanks.

 

[Groucho]

In the same way that if you study stats long enough, you'll always find something to support your argument, even when its wrong.

You can make stats say anything you like.

 

[Groucho]

Zat has me on ignore. Can someone tell him he is beyond weird for me, please?

Thanks.

Less of that thanks.

 

[BlueIceman]

Gerrard's most prolific season regarding assists (Never reached 10+ assists before) compared to Sigurdsson playing as a LWB at Swansea

Also to the people screaming ''HOW MANY WERE IN OPEN PLAY'' Keep in mind Gerrard's most amount of assists in a season prior to 2013/14 was 9.

In 2014/15 Gylfi Sigurdsson created 9 open play assists, 10 in total.

I'm also fairly sure he would have a lot more assists than just 13 if he played alongside Suarez, Coutinho & Prime Sturridge.

1177 fewer passes, 10 more chances, 4 more goals with his left foot.

How much would prime Gerrard cost today? Because it wasn't until he was past it when he started creating goals. Solely a goal scorer during his prime.

I'll never take anybody seriously who says we overpaid for Sigurdsson, we massively underpaid seeing as he was worth £150+ million for Swansea.