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Happy Birthday Bill Kenwright

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True; despite some thinking that Moshiri has put in 100s of millions of his own money.
Use of the word chairman rather than owner was key to my snide
@Steve Wigan with the agreement of members, the board and subject to clearing AML , "putting money into Everton's bank account" is not a problem - you or I could give EFC a multi-million pound loan, interest free if the funds were available. The point with Peter Johnson was that he invested by way of a share issue, so the money went to the club coffers, not to an existing shareholder. BTW Bill Kenwright still holds 5% of the shares to the best of my knowledge and belief, and if you look at it simplistically he was appointed chairman of a solvent company and sold an insolvent one.
@degsy Moshiri has two separate companies involved with EFC, Blue Sky Capital Ltd which provides funding and the holding company, Blue Heaven Holdings Ltd. Think I've remembered the names correctly. Both are IoM 2006 Act companies, so are asset holding vehicles, not trading companies. Haven't bothered looking at the accounts, but Moshiri states he owns them both and last time I did look the loan was treated as long term and added to capital. The source of the loan funds are anyones guess but unlikely to be from a commercial lender if the loan to EFC is unsecured interest free and not repayable for donkeys years.
 
Use of the word chairman rather than owner was key to my snide
@Steve Wigan with the agreement of members, the board and subject to clearing AML , "putting money into Everton's bank account" is not a problem - you or I could give EFC a multi-million pound loan, interest free if the funds were available. The point with Peter Johnson was that he invested by way of a share issue, so the money went to the club coffers, not to an existing shareholder. BTW Bill Kenwright still holds 5% of the shares to the best of my knowledge and belief, and if you look at it simplistically he was appointed chairman of a solvent company and sold an insolvent one.
@degsy Moshiri has two separate companies involved with EFC, Blue Sky Capital Ltd which provides funding and the holding company, Blue Heaven Holdings Ltd. Think I've remembered the names correctly. Both are IoM 2006 Act companies, so are asset holding vehicles, not trading companies. Haven't bothered looking at the accounts, but Moshiri states he owns them both and last time I did look the loan was treated as long term and added to capital. The source of the loan funds are anyones guess but unlikely to be from a commercial lender if the loan to EFC is unsecured interest free and not repayable for donkeys years.
'You or I could give Everton a multimillion pound LOAN. Thats the point, whether its interest free, long term or short term, its a loan. So to say 'Johnson put his own money in' as if he just gave Everton the money is not correct...he presumably took up the majority of the share issue, and recovered his 'investment' when Bills group 'bought' the club. I don't know really its 40 years since I was any kind of accountant!.
 
'You or I could give Everton a multimillion pound LOAN. Thats the point, whether its interest free, long term or short term, its a loan. So to say 'Johnson put his own money in' as if he just gave Everton the money is not correct...he loaned Everton some money. Was it repaid to him when Bills group 'bought' the club ? I don't know.
He didn't - he bought shares on an issue from the club. Check Companies House around 1995 ish.
I was responding to show you that anyone, subject to certain conditions, can put money into EFC s account, which (unless I misread) you claimed couldn't be done.
 
He didn't - he bought shares on an issue from the club. Check Companies House around 1995 ish.
I was responding to show you that anyone, subject to certain conditions, can put money into EFC s account, which (unless I misread) you claimed couldn't be done.

I wasn't really I was responding to Cameron who I think was suggesting that Johnson simply went to the bank with a load of money and said 'put this into Evertons account please'. He bought shares. So he was virtually guaranteeing a return,large or small,on his 'investment'. No one just gives money away. I hope!
 

I wasn't really I was responding to Cameron who I think was suggesting that Johnson simply went to the bank with a load of money and said 'put this into Evertons account please'. He bought shares. So he was virtually guaranteeing a return,large or small,on his 'investment'
Oh right, sorry.
From memory Johnson made no money on the sale of the shares, broke even at best.
The other thing about loans is that they can be waived and therefore not repayable.
When I find my missing billions, I'll give it a try, but please don't hold your breath waiting ;)
 
Don't you think that sounds like you begrudge him the money, Cameron? I do.
Steve, really?I asked about the £48M because you said his pension was really about the royalties of a play and a film, which you have since changed course on.
I think we better leave this topic with you liking the man I have absolutely no time for, we’re just going round in circles over someone not worth the effort.

I repeat, I hope you are doing okay and wish you good health in this very worrying time for everyone and especially for people in our age group, best wishes Steve.
 
I wasn't really I was responding to Cameron who I think was suggesting that Johnson simply went to the bank with a load of money and said 'put this into Evertons account please'. He bought shares. So he was virtually guaranteeing a return,large or small,on his 'investment'. No one just gives money away. I hope!
Steve, if that Cameron refers to me I haven’t mentioned Johnson in a long long time!!!
 

Oh right, sorry.
From memory Johnson made no money on the sale of the shares, broke even at best.
The other thing about loans is that they can be waived and therefore not repayable.
When I find my missing billions, I'll give it a try, but please don't hold your breath waiting ;)
iirc, it was Johnson that upped the number of shares to 35,000 from 17,500? and awarded them to himself, effectively doubling his stake and thus his net profit.
Yes, technically he sold each share for what he paid, he just sold more of them.
 
iirc, it was Johnson that upped the number of shares to 35,000 from 17,500? and awarded them to himself, effectively doubling his stake and thus his net profit.
Yes, technically he sold each share for what he paid, he just sold more of them.
Had a look at the accounts and here's the tale they tell
1994 the club had 2500 shares in issue which was upped to 5000 in that year (Johnson up from 1 share to 2497, so a kick in the backside of 10 mil cost for his share). In 96 there was a need to raise 15mil so this was done by a form of rights issue raising the capital from 5000 to 35000 underwritten by AIB Trustees who were Trustees of the Johnson family settlement, so any stock certs not taken up were bought by them for Johnson. Johnson acquired 21450 shares at £500 per share so £10725000 total investment by way of shares purchased from the club,.
Total outlay just shy of 21 mil.
Not certain, but I think he sold at 20mil to the consortium which valued the club at about 30 mil so made a loss, but I'll stand corrected.
I really should get a life ;)
 
happy birthday buddy. those who stand against u are the anti vaxxers of the everton online world. we will fight them until they eat themselves.
 

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