2024/25 Harrison Armstrong

[blueloon]

…..generally no but there might be exceptions. Robinson, Mills, Galloway in particular went backwards.

It’s exactly why I think it’s a bad sign for them when they do go on loan. Our best ones we tend to keep here, obviously the couple of exceptions we’ve mentioned (Osman, Barkley & Gordon).

Very few of our Academy players go on loan and then play 50 first team games. That might change if we become mega-successful, of course but even when I was growing up our best youngsters came directly into the first team fold (Harvey, Royle, Hurst, Whittle, Husband etc although I’m not sure loans were a thing back then).

You bring this up at least three times a season with the same reasoning, quoting Hibbert etc so you’re never going to change. Regarding your 50:games thing , as I’ve often said, in the last 10 years only one player from our Academy to play 50 games and NOT go out on loan is Tom Davies ……someone who at times was lost and not improving, a loan may well have done him good .

Armstrong is doing fine , he may well need a loan but not something I think is desperately needed for him , but I’ll keep an open mind.

 

[Cameron Manning]

McMahon obviously although hate saying it.

Lookman, Lukaku won the league in Italy after us, manager wise obviously Ancelotti didn't do too bad either after us. John stones did a little bit better at City too.

Steve McMahon left Everton after asking for a pay rise, he saw what Adrian Heath and Dave Johnson were getting —£ 900 per week, Stevie was on £400, Howard Kendall promised him a rise and came back with an offer of £25 per week, McMahon told him what he could do with that. Aston Villa came in with a good offer to Everton, Liverpool offered Stevie a better deal than Villa but McMahon thought it would upset the fans more than it did when he went to Villa although it only took him a year to come back to the City he was raised in as a solid Evertonian.

Everton did well out of the deal getting enough to buy Trevor Steven and Steve McMahon did better financially and on the field, winning many trophies with Liverpool as well as International caps

Howard Kendall later claimed at a football evening in Dunlops club, with McMahon present, that he couldn’t agree a deal with Stevie’s agent, Stevie told him he never had an agent at that time.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Steve McMahon left Everton after asking for a pay rise, he saw what Adrian Heath and Dave Johnson were getting —£ 900 per week, Stevie was on £400, Howard Kendall promised him a rise and came back with an offer of £25 per week, McMahon told him what he could do with that. Aston Villa came in with a good offer to Everton, Liverpool offered Stevie a better deal than Villa but McMahon thought it would upset the fans more than it did when he went to Villa although it only took him a year to come back to the City he was raised in as a solid Evertonian.

Everton did well out of the deal getting enough to buy Trevor Steven and Steve McMahon did better financially and on the field, winning many trophies with Liverpool as well as International caps

Howard Kendall later claimed at a football evening in Dunlops club, with McMahon present, that he couldn’t agree a deal with Stevie’s agent, Stevie told him he never had an agent at that time.

If we kept McMahon the Reid Bracewell partnership would never have happened. Interesting to think whether keeping McMahon would have made us more or less successful as a result. Not sure McMahon would have improved us if he replaced either of those two in the short term but they both obviously only played for a few season due to injury/age. Liverpool would also be potentially less successful.

 

[Cameron Manning]

If we kept McMahon the Reid Bracewell partnership would never have happened. Interesting to think whether keeping McMahon would have made us more or less successful as a result. Not sure McMahon would have improved us if he replaced either of those two in the short term but they both obviously only played for a few season due to injury/age. Liverpool would also be potentially less successful.

Yes the only thing you can do is surmise what might have happened nobody can predict the future, I thought Peter Reid was great for Everton as was McMahon and Bracewell was very good before he was crocked by a terrible tackle, Trevor Steven improved Evertons’ attack immensely and we got £5M for him although nobody wanted him to go, maybe best to say Everyone were winners with Stevie’s sale.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Yes the only thing you can do is surmise what might have happened nobody can predict the future, I thought Peter Reid was great for Everton as was McMahon and Bracewell was very good before he was crocked by a terrible tackle, Trevor Steven improved Evertons’ attack immensely and we got £5M for him although nobody wanted him to go, maybe best to say Everyone were winners with Stevie’s sale.

£5m? £1.5m I think. £5m buys you Maradona in the mid-80s.

 

[Joey66]

Steve McMahon left Everton after asking for a pay rise, he saw what Adrian Heath and Dave Johnson were getting —£ 900 per week, Stevie was on £400, Howard Kendall promised him a rise and came back with an offer of £25 per week, McMahon told him what he could do with that. Aston Villa came in with a good offer to Everton, Liverpool offered Stevie a better deal than Villa but McMahon thought it would upset the fans more than it did when he went to Villa although it only took him a year to come back to the City he was raised in as a solid Evertonian.

Everton did well out of the deal getting enough to buy Trevor Steven and Steve McMahon did better financially and on the field, winning many trophies with Liverpool as well as International caps

Howard Kendall later claimed at a football evening in Dunlops club, with McMahon present, that he couldn’t agree a deal with Stevie’s agent, Stevie told him he never had an agent at that time.

I watched Steve McMahon as a youngster coming through you could tell like David Johnson they would more than make the grade easily to become top players, I don't think HK was Manager It was the Catt or Bingham - who let them go - bad decision ....

 

[Nymzee]

After getting the crap kicked out of them in lower leagues ? Who knows as they never even made the bench, but two goalkeepers can sit on our bench ,,,,,, .....

So the answer is no one.

 

[Joey66]

So the answer is no one.

you keep the likes of Robertson , Lookman, & Cannon all woth millions now after we let them go for peanuts - Harrison Armstrong after a great performance - some posters on here ideal to send on loan now ????? Pure stupidity = Yes

 

[Blast_of_Cannock]

Barkley wasn’t great?!

I think at the same age as Armstrong he wasn't great. Didn't he have a serious injury which set him back a few years when he was 16 or so? Then a few so-so loans before he broke into our 1st team when he was 19 or 20. Or am I getting mistaken for somebody else. I'm sure someone can correct me if so.

 

[WelshBlue92]

With Iro and Garner back in training I think this is the ideal time to find Armstrong a decent loan.
Playing decent minutes in 15/20 championship games will do him the world of good for when he comes back into the first team in the summer. I suspect next season there will be a lot more opportunities and minutes for him as Doucoure is likely to leave and there's no guarantee that we'll sign Mangala.

 

[Nymzee]

If we’re gonna loan him don’t send him down the leagues. Fire him off to like Belgium and Holland where he’ll actually play.

 

[Curtis]

If we’re gonna loan him don’t send him down the leagues. Fire him off to like Belgium and Holland where he’ll actually play.

Absolutely I think that's what brighton did for years as bloom owns a belgian club and it benefitted mitoma , as you alluded to the championship loans never seem to work out even for Gordon and Branthwaite there

 

[Tommy.]

Skipped from page 15 to 20 just knowing @Eggs would be banging on again about loans.

 

[Raino85]

You bring this up at least three times a season with the same reasoning, quoting Hibbert etc so you’re never going to change. Regarding your 50:games thing , as I’ve often said, in the last 10 years only one player from our Academy to play 50 games and NOT go out on loan is Tom Davies ……someone who at times was lost and not improving, a loan may well have done him good .

Armstrong is doing fine , he may well need a loan but not something I think is desperately needed for him , but I’ll keep an open mind.

He might need one in the future, but not right now, he is ticking along fairly nicely as it stands.

 

[Raino85]

Skipped from page 15 to 20 just knowing @Eggs would be banging on again about loans.

He's right