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Holgate Racially Abused By Firmino - The Guardian

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brigadier said:
Don't know why people keep banging on about the push, it happened last week when a liverpool player shoved a Tottenham player off the pitch, this is about abuse which firminho is guilty, the only question is, did he racially abuse Holgate, if so lengthy ban if not a ban for the abuse.
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The reason the push keeps getting mentioned is as deflection from the actual issue,its being used to demonise a young player who complained,as a justification to condone what has been said,in the same way the lip readers mention the first part,the he misheard what was said,its used to myddy the waters and create doubt
 
LouReedwalkonthewildside said:
That's what I find weird about why Rodriguez has been charged, and Firmino not. Also, I would love to know how they know what he said when supposedly when he was alleged to have said it he was holding his nose, surely his hand would be covering his mouth?
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It may or not be proof of what he said. He could of been charged because they didn't find him to be a credible or reliable witness. The fA will of viewed the footage available and then Rodriguez will of been asked for his account of what happened. If his account didn't tally up with the footage then they would have reason to believe he wasn't credible.
 
Dabluez said:
It really isn't though is it.

The referee is the games arbiter, calling a Ref a cheat is completely different to making a derogatory remark about an opponent.

A perfect example is a court of law whilst it is quite permissible to question the integrity of a witness do that to the judge and you will be held in contempt of court.
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Oh look, yet another post defending Liverpool....
 

Rodriguez is charged with racial abuse because he plays for West Brom and the 'evidence' is gathered very quickly within 3 weeks on the word of the Brighton player. Firminho isn't charged with racial abuse, even though Holgate made a complaint, and gathering the evidence drags on and on since December 5th what is that, 8 weeks and counting. I wonder what the difference is between the two cases?

Is it because one club is trying to get top 4 so need their player and the other is just there to make up the numbers in the premier league?

It appears the FA want the Firminho racial abuse to be quietly dropped so they don't have to take action against, yet another lfc player for racial abuse. It wouldn't sit well when they use lfc to promote the premier league.
 
Viennablue said:
Did the push not come before the comments from Firmino? If the push came first (and the echo story I read claims it did), then the son of a b comment is entirely justified. Obviously a racist comment isn’t.

And it depends how many stairs. At my work there is a short staircase near the entrance with just 2 steps. If you pushed someone down that they’d probably be fine. But it might cause them to fall over and they could say something because they were angry about it.

Come on? Yes, pushing someone down a normal flight of stairs isn’t the same as what Holgate did. But calling someone a son of a b in the middle of an office isn’t the same as what Firmino did either is it?

Do you know what I think the big problem here is. No one really gives a sh1t whether anything racist was said. No one really cares how it made Holgate feel, or if there is a wider problem in the game. You/other fans just want to see a Liverpool player banned and see Klopp have to answer questions on it in the press conference for a cheap laugh. I’ll admit that would be mildly amusing, but it wouldn’t solve anything.

They’d still be miles better than us. Plus, just our Everton luck, his first back from his ban would probably be the derby and he’d score a 93rd minute winner.
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What a shocking post. Mate, call yourself a blue after that [Poor language removed] me, that's appalling.
 
hullefc said:
Rodriguez is charged with racial abuse because he plays for West Brom and the 'evidence' is gathered very quickly within 3 weeks on the word of the Brighton player. Firminho isn't charged with racial abuse, even though Holgate made a complaint, and gathering the evidence drags on and on since December 5th what is that, 8 weeks and counting. I wonder what the difference is between the two cases?

Is it because one club is trying to get top 4 so need their player and the other is just there to make up the numbers in the premier league?

It appears the FA want the Firminho racial abuse to be quietly dropped so they don't have to take action against, yet another lfc player for racial abuse. It wouldn't sit well when they use lfc to promote the premier league.
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The game was 5th January not December
 
This is going nowhere...Holgate hasnt been done for the push and firminho wont get done as the ref didnt hear any racist abuse.. he sure as hell saw the push..so by rights Holgate should get done. He hasnt sooooo....i can only presume Firminho said summink naughty and the refs just want this closed.
 

brigadier said:
Don't know why people keep banging on about the push, it happened last week when a liverpool player shoved a Tottenham player off the pitch, this is about abuse which firminho is guilty, the only question is, did he racially abuse Holgate, if so lengthy ban if not a ban for the abuse.
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What do you expect from kopites? You should know by now their always the victim and its never their fault
 
thebluenosebolt said:
This is going nowhere...Holgate hasnt been done for the push and firminho wont get done as the ref didnt hear any racist abuse.. he sure as hell saw the push..so by rights Holgate should get done. He hasnt sooooo....i can only presume Firminho said summink naughty and the refs just want this closed.
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He didn’t get done for the push because it wasn’t violent conduct.

Simple as that.

People cannot be serious when they think that push was worthy of a ban.
 

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