Holgate Racially Abused By Firmino - The Guardian

[JelavicBrate2]

just changed this for you mate

Think there's two types of people really, those who admit to their mistakes and kopites.

It's like that divvy David Vujanic who recently got into trouble after they found tweets that he made that were anti semitic and racist and nature, after he'd done a video with Corbyn about racism in football. He is an ethnic Serb from Croatia who moved to Belgrade, then he was raised in London, naturally he supports Liverpool. Even though he portrays a tolerant image, I just think he uses the fact he mixes with Black people to cover up his racist bigotry. As somebody whose parents come from the same region as him I'm embarrassed that he's become a representative of Eastern Europeans in Britain. I've always found Liverpool fans more racist than Everton fans, I've only ever heard racist comments from drunk fellas to Asian stewards. Liverpool fans racially abuse their own players and ex players alike Barnes being the most obvious example.

 

[navidson]

I agree on this, however our rivals are a racist football club, football played by racists and supported by racists

Where was that again?

There's a lovely view from the moral high ground - but I'm not sure that this particular path is open to us

 

[4737carlin]

Where was that again?

There's a lovely view from the moral high ground - but I'm not sure that this particular path is open to us

Yeah but the question is, is it open to them? They seem to think so, but since its well documented they also abused him i dont really think it is?

Besides we cant help it if there was a Chelsea fan at the match that day

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

Where was that again?

There's a lovely view from the moral high ground - but I'm not sure that this particular path is open to us

That was 30 years ago now mate. A considerable number of posters on here weren't born yet. AFAIK, there's not been anything comparable to (for instance) the kopite caught on TV doing an impression of a chimpanzee a few years back.

 

[hullefc]

Where was that again?

There's a lovely view from the moral high ground - but I'm not sure that this particular path is open to us

Highbury when Barnes made his debut?

 

[phil_t98]

Where was that again?

There's a lovely view from the moral high ground - but I'm not sure that this particular path is open to us

no excuses for this and it was stupid at the time. doesn't mean racist incidents haven't happened across the park. should we highlight the oldham player crying from the abuse he was getting a few seasons ago at Anfield? No we shouldn't. it isn't about trading blows its about making sure these things don't happen again from both sets of fans

 

[Prevenger17]

Tbf the fella with the anti Irish stuff on the James McCarthy thread got kicked off so there isn’t any tolerance for bigotry.

Moomin is opposed to the Faux Irish, a big difference.

 

[helpimonfire]

I've always found Liverpool fans more racist than Everton fans, I've only ever heard racist comments from drunk fellas to Asian stewards. Liverpool fans racially abuse their own players and ex players alike Barnes being the most obvious example.

In the 1980/90s Goodison could be a hot-bed for vile racist abuse and I heard it many times. It still rears its ugly head at times. Thank Christ it has eased off a lot in recent times.

It has nothing to do with any football club. All have their idiots, us included. Not every Kopite is a racist. Scum will attach itself to clubs but I see that people are now more unlikely to tolerate these idiots. A racist is just that, a racist. Sitting in a stadium shouting abuse at a player who is 20-30 yards away from you is not very hard now, is it? Why not go sit next to someone of a colour they do not like and tell them. Or go up to someone on the street and tell them? because they would get the hiding they deserve. I see idiots in pubs spouting vile abuse about other people (Tends to be basically all whites in the pub at the time) Then the match starts and they are cheering on their favourite player who is..erm...not white skinned.. It is almost laughable. Almost, as there is nothing funny about racism.

 

[scratchnsurf]

Moomin is opposed to the Faux Irish, a big difference.

To be sure.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

no excuses for this and it was stupid at the time. doesn't mean racist incidents haven't happened across the park. should we highlight the oldham player crying from the abuse he was getting a few seasons ago at Anfield? No we shouldn't. it isn't about trading blows its about making sure these things don't happen again from both sets of fans

The League Cup Tie at the pit was the worst, anyone who was present that evening in the Anfield Road End must surely remember, it was a stain on our club that will never be removed, we won the game yes, but it was a night when for once I was ashamed to be an Evertonian.

 

[toffeejack]

Where was that again?

In front of the away end.

 

[everton1953]

I believe the two players concerned have agreed with my suggestion that they settle it with a duel, but instead of in Stanley Park as I said, they want it on the pitch before the derby game. SKY are salivating at the potential viewing and advertising profits. I would rather Holgate lost his duel and we won the derby. Anyone disagree?

 

[JelavicBrate2]

In the 1980/90s Goodison could be a hot-bed for vile racist abuse and I heard it many times. It still rears its ugly head at times. Thank Christ it has eased off a lot in recent times.

It has nothing to do with any football club. All have their idiots, us included. Not every Kopite is a racist. Scum will attach itself to clubs but I see that people are now more unlikely to tolerate these idiots. A racist is just that, a racist. Sitting in a stadium shouting abuse at a player who is 20-30 yards away from you is not very hard now, is it? Why not go sit next to someone of a colour they do not like and tell them. Or go up to someone on the street and tell them? because they would get the hiding they deserve. I see idiots in pubs spouting vile abuse about other people (Tends to be basically all whites in the pub at the time) Then the match starts and they are cheering on their favourite player who is..erm...not white skinned.. It is almost laughable. Almost, as there is nothing funny about racism.

Well human beings are walking contradictions, in Bosnia where my parents come from, people who were once friends killed one another. People in the ex Yugoslavia of different ethnic backgrounds got along better than people of different races in modern Britain. Neighbours killed neighbours, people who they had once worked with, drank with and sometimes even lived with became enemies. There are people in Bosnia of mixed backgrounds their father is a Serb and their mother is Muslim who hate Muslims and vice versa. I know people who are of Irish descent who express anti Irish beliefs. Actually there were people convicted of war crimes in the ex Yugoslavia who had wives who belonged to the same group they were convicted of ethnically cleansing.
What I meant about Liverpool fans being more racist is that in general I never read on here people saying negative things about Black or Asian Everton fans. However I quite often hear Liverpool fans moaning about Asian fans at Anfield. Plus I've been in pubs when Liverpool are playing and it's like the deep south in the 1960s people shouting the N word. I witnessed a fight in the pub after they lost the Europa league final because a group of white and black Liverpool fans, objected to a group of Asian Liverpool fans have an opinion on the match. I've heard Liverpool fans say we need to stop signing so many n*****s, I've never heard an Everton fan say that. Not that long ago an elderly Everton fan in the pub I drink in took a group of Liverpool fans to task for calling Lukaku the N word. Of course not all Liverpool fans are like that, but they do seem more prone to expressing those statements than our fans.

 

[trueblue84]

Let's not pretend we're different to any other club or that the rs are worse. It happens everywhere. I remember being at goodison when the announcement on the PA stated that racism will not be tolerated. Within 30 seconds one of the stewards was hurling racist abuse at earl Barrett.

 

[magicjuan]

Let's not pretend we're different to any other club or that the rs are worse. It happens everywhere. I remember being at goodison when the announcement on the PA stated that racism will not be tolerated. Within 30 seconds one of the stewards was hurling racist abuse at earl Barrett.

It isn't the measure but the frequency that is held up. Some may challenge this but it seems any indiscretion by us is announced as the ugliest of uglies, rightly, yet it seems to be such a struggle to get any recognition on any bad behaviour by our cousins the banjo pluckers.
The two scenarios of Brewster and Holgate were strikingly similar and I am still yet to see any media 'sympathy' to Holgate's cause.