Holgate Racially Abused By Firmino - The Guardian

[4737carlin]

I stand second to no one in my prejudice in the footballing sense against LFC. In a footballing sense only, I loathe them. But I have never associated them or any other club as racists or supported by racists. They have some racist supporters, don't we all? We are all a cross section of society. They are certainly abominable in their arrogance but again that is football based.

When Liverpool signed Barnes he made his debute at Arsenal and was abused by there own fans, even tho most wont talk about and Barnes prob has been told by the club not to but it did happen

Its talked about here
https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/racism-they-thought-it-was-all-over.16872/

 

[artetas_biggest_fan]

I thought this was supposed to be a football site? All this hot air, accusations, abuse, prejudice, hypocrisy is out of place here and should be on one of the many sites available to whingers and their opponents to battle it out for ever more. Rivalry between fans should be about football issues not whose footballer is thicker or more racist than another.

It can be toxic at times. Tbf the fella with the anti Irish stuff on the James McCarthy thread got kicked off so there isn’t any tolerance for bigotry. All for free speech, not when it crosses the line though.

Having grown up in a backward Catholic vs Protestant environment in the north of Ireland I don’t have any tolerance for bigotry. I (and anyone else on here old enough) witnessed racism at Goodison, two moments in particular stand out, Carlton Palmer in a Sheffield Wednesday jersey, Les Ferdinand in a QPR jersey, looked towards the area I sat in (lower bullens) after racist abuse had been hurled at them. There was laughter in the crowd not disgust. Won’t bother digging up the racist articles on the club again (Google for them if you wish, Everton move to lose racist tag, Everton fans top racist league of shame). As I’ve seen it won’t stop some people with their bigotry or hypocrisy.

I sat silent at Windsor Park, Belfast numerous times as anti catholic abuse was shouted out by all those around me (going to a game having to hide your own identity for your own safety has an impact). A young neighbour of mine went to the same ground and when the ball went over the bar he asked his dad “was that a point”? (a point is awarded in Gaelic football for the ball going over the bar) - his dad whispered to him to keep quiet and for the rest of the game and until he got in his car he was nervous of being attacked. Witnessing racism/bigotry has an impact, even more so when you are the target of it.

 

[davek]

When Liverpool signed Barnes he made his debute at Arsenal and was abused by there own fans, even tho most wont talk about and Barnes prob has been told by the club not to but it did happen

Its talked about here
https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/racism-they-thought-it-was-all-over.16872/

Barnes tried to fit in when he wore the KKK robes to a Christmas party.

Quite sad really.

 

[Lanolin]

Certainly. Stone cast. As the butt of this sort of humour in the past, I'd say the language is pretty important. More important though is the moronic mindset that propels the tongue.

Fair enough, you were better teenager than me if you never said anything which might have offended someone.

 

[coltefc]

Their is no limit to their hypocrisy. Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing. Scum club.

Superb post mate

 

[ToffeeTim]

It can be toxic at times. Tbf the fella with the anti Irish stuff on the James McCarthy thread got kicked off so there isn’t any tolerance for bigotry. All for free speech, not when it crosses the line though.

Having grown up in a backward Catholic vs Protestant environment in the north of Ireland I don’t have any tolerance for bigotry. I (and anyone else on here old enough) witnessed racism at Goodison, two moments in particular stand out, Carlton Palmer in a Sheffield Wednesday jersey, Les Ferdinand in a QPR jersey, looked towards the area I sat in (lower bullens) after racist abuse had been hurled at them. There was laughter in the crowd not disgust. Won’t bother digging up the racist articles on the club again (Google for them if you wish, Everton move to lose racist tag, Everton fans top racist league of shame). As I’ve seen it won’t stop some people with their bigotry or hypocrisy.

I sat silent at Windsor Park, Belfast numerous times as anti catholic abuse was shouted out by all those around me (going to a game having to hide your own identity for your own safety has an impact). A young neighbour of mine went to the same ground and when the ball went over the bar he asked his dad “was that a point”? (a point is awarded in Gaelic football for the ball going over the bar) - his dad whispered to him to keep quiet and for the rest of the game and until he got in his car he was nervous of being attacked. Witnessing racism/bigotry has an impact, even more so when you are the target of it.

What's Windsor Park got to do with anything?

I go to almost every northern ireland home game. Granted I'm only 24, but I've never heard one shout of racism/sectarianism. In fact most of the team and the manager are catholic, and it's one of the most supportive atmospheres you'll find. No one in their right mind cares about what religion or creed a player is. I'm not aware of any players being abused in belfast so i dont get the relevance to Mason Holgate.

 

[Toffeelover]

The evidence was not their in sufficient volume to make an airtight case. The FA's conclusion.

Really, it means they did not want to upset our neioghbours so quietly buried it.

 

[joey_macmo]

Are they kidding? They’re almost a parody these days

 

[davek]

Are they kidding? They’re almost a parody these days

I thought a judgement of "insufficient evidence" was taken by Liverpool as irrefutable, non-debatable proof of innocence?

I'm just glad the Russian lad's over this now and he can get back to his football. Cant have been easy with that cloud hanging over his good name.

 

[Zezti]

I thought a judgement of "insufficient evidence" was taken by Liverpool as irrefutable, non-debatable proof of innocence?

I'm just glad the Russian lad's over this now and he can get back to his football. Cant have been easy with that cloud hanging over his good name.

Really, Brewster should be banned for lying!!!!!!1111one

 

[Azzurri]

It can be toxic at times. Tbf the fella with the anti Irish stuff on the James McCarthy thread got kicked off so there isn’t any tolerance for bigotry. All for free speech, not when it crosses the line though.

Having grown up in a backward Catholic vs Protestant environment in the north of Ireland I don’t have any tolerance for bigotry. I (and anyone else on here old enough) witnessed racism at Goodison, two moments in particular stand out, Carlton Palmer in a Sheffield Wednesday jersey, Les Ferdinand in a QPR jersey, looked towards the area I sat in (lower bullens) after racist abuse had been hurled at them. There was laughter in the crowd not disgust. Won’t bother digging up the racist articles on the club again (Google for them if you wish, Everton move to lose racist tag, Everton fans top racist league of shame). As I’ve seen it won’t stop some people with their bigotry or hypocrisy.

I sat silent at Windsor Park, Belfast numerous times as anti catholic abuse was shouted out by all those around me (going to a game having to hide your own identity for your own safety has an impact). A young neighbour of mine went to the same ground and when the ball went over the bar he asked his dad “was that a point”? (a point is awarded in Gaelic football for the ball going over the bar) - his dad whispered to him to keep quiet and for the rest of the game and until he got in his car he was nervous of being attacked. Witnessing racism/bigotry has an impact, even more so when you are the target of it.

lol

 

[Moomin]

It can be toxic at times. Tbf the fella with the anti Irish stuff on the James McCarthy thread got kicked off so there isn’t any tolerance for bigotry. All for free speech, not when it crosses the line though.

Having grown up in a backward Catholic vs Protestant environment in the north of Ireland I don’t have any tolerance for bigotry. I (and anyone else on here old enough) witnessed racism at Goodison, two moments in particular stand out, Carlton Palmer in a Sheffield Wednesday jersey, Les Ferdinand in a QPR jersey, looked towards the area I sat in (lower bullens) after racist abuse had been hurled at them. There was laughter in the crowd not disgust. Won’t bother digging up the racist articles on the club again (Google for them if you wish, Everton move to lose racist tag, Everton fans top racist league of shame). As I’ve seen it won’t stop some people with their bigotry or hypocrisy.

I sat silent at Windsor Park, Belfast numerous times as anti catholic abuse was shouted out by all those around me (going to a game having to hide your own identity for your own safety has an impact). A young neighbour of mine went to the same ground and when the ball went over the bar he asked his dad “was that a point”? (a point is awarded in Gaelic football for the ball going over the bar) - his dad whispered to him to keep quiet and for the rest of the game and until he got in his car he was nervous of being attacked. Witnessing racism/bigotry has an impact, even more so when you are the target of it.

Who was anti Irish? no need for that in this day and age.

Think we need to move on from this case, the young lad from Liverpool has got the same result from the inquiry with Spartak over racist abuse.

Racism needs to be stamped out, people who sit in silence while it happens around them are just as bad as the perpetrators in my eyes.

 

[JelavicBrate2]

Without wanting to speak for someone else, I assumed what he meant was that as young lads many of us used words as insults which may be thought of as offensive and homophobic. I know that when I was a teenager - i'm not that much older than you - it was pretty standard to use words like those Holgate tweeted as a generic insult. As you get older/the world changes, you realise that language like that isn't very pleasant.

The point is, the tweets I saw from Holgate (apologies if I've missed something) weren't explicitly homophobic in the way that the Andre Gray tweets were. He wasn't actually calling out the gay community, just using language which unfortunately reinforces some stereotypes. I'm with @JelavicBrate2 in that I know I've been more than guilty of doing that in the past. Let he who has not made/laughed at a comment on here about The Lisbon cast the first stone.

Exactly the point I trying to make, being gay was an insult. I think many of us including myself used it as an insult, as 90% of the lads on here under the age of 20 did. I don't think I or anyone else on here who used these terms ever actually had anything against gay people, just peer pressure and trying to fit in. We all do and say stupid things when we're young lads to fit in, most of us mature, some don't.

 

[navidson]

228 pages

Wow

 

[JelavicBrate2]

If you were young when the Inbetweeners was out then you’re not very old now (aired 2008) and as such I’m horrified you admit to being brought up thinking homosexuality was wrong. That sort of mentality growing up was wayyyy back.

I was 16 when The Inbetweeners came out and I definitely wasn’t raised with that sort of mentality.

I was talking about wrong in the sense of school days, as in you would get picked on if you were gay or associated with gay people. I remember once going the barbers with my mates, and one of my mates was getting his hair cut by a fella who was gay and getting taking the mick out of. My sociology teacher got into trouble for making an allegedly homophobic comment to a student who he didn't even know was gay and that was 2013. If you are brought up in an environment where calling somebody gay was an insult like many of the lads on here, you would of probably used it as any other swear word. It's not that long ago when I was in college and people were making homophobic comments. However I don't think I or anyone else went as far as Andre Gray did to talk about killing gays. Reggie Yates who I'm not a huge fan of as a reporter, admitted to his credit in a documentary about homophobia in the Black community, that he'd listened to music with homophobic lyrics. It's not that long since rappers openly used homophobic lyrics in their songs, like the Game, Xzibit, Dr Dre and a few others. I'm of the view we all make mistakes when we're young, make comments that are offensive to impress our friends but we mature. If you're going to punish people for what they said when they're 16 we'd all be in trouble.