Honest assessment of the Don Carlo reign so far

[neilsyd]

I completely agree. That’s what used to happen with managers and the scouting network of the club. So can somebody please explain the different between a scout and a DOF?

Maybe an internal agent? Paid millions a year. Crazy if you asked me

 

[andy4efc]

I completely agree. That’s what used to happen with managers and the scouting network of the club. So can somebody please explain the different between a scout and a DOF?

Scout is literally scouting for players, reports etc.

DOF is the whole footballing strategy of the club though, he doesnt just sit on his phone looking at players. So yes he is involved in Scouting, what is the strategy? He will work closely with the chief scout / head scout. Also works with training (more the long-term analyse, does it match up?) along with working with the academy. So he can work clsoely with scouts, coaches etc. He obviously does the negotiating in finding players as well, and will work with the club to what we can spend etc.

I'm not sure the 'head scout' is always there either, DOF's can take that role with the rest and have more responsibility placed on the higher ranked scouts.

 

[neilsyd]

Get the feeling some of our fans would prefer to have a Sean Dyche type manager. Though what they think he would do with this team of gutless and ambition less ‘z’ listers that others have failed to do in the past is beyond me, only you bunch of raving lunatics know.

Or, they’d prefer we continued our trend of hiring and firing managers spending millions upon millions paying off contracts until we get it right. Psst that’s code for until we sack half of this useless pathetic team off and get us some players with a big of fight, passion, ambition!

That’s a bit offensive to Sean dyche. He’s taken a squad of players, very few would have in our first eleven, to finish above us. His motivational skills and tactics have got them finishing way higher than they should. That’s good management. I’m not saying I’d prefer him. I’m just saying I need to be proved otherwise

 

[neilsyd]

Scout is literally scouting for players, reports etc.

DOF is the whole footballing strategy of the club. So yes he is involved in Scouting, what is the strategy? He will work closely with the chief scout / head scout. Also works with training (more the long-term analyse, does it match up?) along with working with the academy. So he can work clsoely with scouts, coaches etc. He obviously does the negotiating in finding players as well, and will work with the club to what we can spend etc.

I'm not sure the 'head scout' is always there either, DOF's can take that role with the rest and have more responsibility placed on the higher ranked scouts.

Well if he’s got that much responsibility brands, it’s absolutely dreadful after two years. Because all of the above is garbage

 

[andy4efc]

Well if he’s got that much responsibility brands, it’s absolutely dreadful after two years. Because all of the above is garbage

How is it garbage? Its a well used model and changes made in the academy dont get shown until further down the line.

Try not to be so rude, it's only an Everton forum.

 

[Jim Hopper]

Jim, there’s not many people more fussed about Everton than me. But I can separate myself from what I want to happen and putting perspective on things. I love Ancelotti but there’s a concern that as in any career, we have got someone on the way down. He’s managed for 25 years and I don’t recall any manager being a great success after such a long period of time, unless with the same club? It seems to be a more young managers game now, Bielsa aside, who had only done well in the championship. I mean the top four are Klopp, guardiola, Lampard and solksjaer. I hopefully am completely wrong.....

I respect your opinions and although I am happy and delighted that Ancelotti is here I also have those doubts in my mind. It was one of my main concerns with him and I still think he took on the job not knowing how big and challenging he actually thought it was gonna be. This group of players we have are not good enough, both physically and mentally. I think he came here knowing we had a team of experienced ‘professionals’ and that he could work on them and get them performing to the standards we should expect but they haven’t and they won’t do because the truth is they’re not good enough and they just don’t care and thats the truth.

However I hold optimism with him and it’s definitely the right thing to do to have some perspective of all that’s gone on and allow him to be given the chance to build his own team here and see what happens. Having gone through so many useless managers over the years that have bought crap and allowed us to accumulate a dressing room of overpaid, unprofessional, unambitious self loathing rats, you can’t excuse Evertonians like myself from being overly excited and overly protective at us appointing a top drawer manager who’s coming here with a proven successful CV and brings a winning mentality.

We simply can’t just judge him on his last 4 months with this current set of crocks we call players. I’d be saying that even if he by some miracle got them performing and playing well.

Let’s see what and who he’s allowed to sign during the transfer window and then how we fare a few months into the season and go from there.

 

[orly]

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[neilsyd]

I respect your opinions and although I am happy and delighted that Ancelotti is here I also have those doubts in my mind. It was one of my main concerns with him and I still think he took on the job not knowing how big and challenging he actually thought it was gonna be. This group of players we have are not good enough, both physically and mentally. I think he came here knowing we had a team of experienced ‘professionals’ and that he could work on them and get them performing to the standards we should expect but they haven’t and they won’t do because the truth is they’re not good enough and they just don’t care and thats the truth.

However I hold optimism with him and it’s definitely the right thing to do to have some perspective of all that’s gone on and allow him to be given the chance to build his own team here and see what happens. Having gone through so many useless managers over the years that have bought crap and allowed us to accumulate a dressing room of overpaid, unprofessional, unambitious self loathing rats, you can’t excuse Evertonians like myself from being overly excited and overly protective at us appointing a top drawer manager who’s coming here with a proven successful CV and brings a winning mentality.

We simply can’t just judge him on his last 4 months with this current set of crocks we call players. I’d be saying that even if he managed to by some miracle actually got them performing and playing well.

Let’s see what and who he’s allowed to sign during the transfer window and then how we fare a few months into the season and go from there.

Great post Jim. I’ll leave it at that tonight. Let’s see what happens this summer.
Don’t know what Andy’s on about being rude.
No rudeness over here chief, just opinions.

 

[neilsyd]

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[Jim Hopper]

That’s a bit offensive to Sean dyche. He’s taken a squad of players, very few would have in our first eleven, to finish above us. His motivational skills and tactics have got them finishing way higher than they should. That’s good management. I’m not saying I’d prefer him. I’m just saying I need to be proved otherwise

I’m not saying he’s a bad manager mate, I think he’s a good manager, I’m just using it as an example. People see he’s done well at Burnley and he’s assembled a great hardworking committed team there with no stand out players. I’m just saying some people would prefer to have somebody like him as manager and give him preference as they’d believe he would be able to get the best out of this current crock, which he genuinely wouldn’t.

They can’t motivate themselves to play for or listen to the advice of a top manager like Ancelotti, imagine them in the dressing room listening to advice from Sean Dyche who’s only ever won promotion and finished 8th.

 

[mrb85]

I'm not too sure whether it's a lack of effort or a lack of bite that explains recent performances. And maybe it's partly because the way CA wants to play at the moment is conservative and devoid of the intense pressing game deployed by most (all?) other PL managers. But I look at those who played on Sunday and can't honestly say any of them were moping around not trying (though doubtless the stats will show most players covering less ground in games than in previous seasons). Lacking ability certainly, not willing to go beyond the call of duty certainly. But there were certainly no Schneiderlins or Alex Nyarkos amongst them.

 

[Jim Hopper]

I'm not too sure whether it's a lack of effort or a lack of bite that explains recent performances. And maybe it's partly because the way CA wants to play at the moment is conservative and devoid of the intense pressing game deployed by most (all?) other PL managers. But I look at those who played on Sunday and can't honestly say any of them were moping around not trying (though doubtless the stats will show most players covering less ground in games than in previous seasons). Lacking ability certainly, not willing to go beyond the call of duty certainly. But there were certainly no Schneiderlins or Alex Nyarkos amongst them.

Now do the other 37 or so games. Chelsea at home excluded as pretty much the only game all of them carried out the minimum performance we should expect from them.