How much did Britain really win WW2?

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Was a draw wasn't it?

 

[Taifi gorm]

Scotland and Sweden need to invade England in order for England to become a magnificent country.

 

[Billy Dean]

Regardless of who defeated the Nazis I’m just glad they were defeated.

Just imagine if they had won. Britain would probably be a horrible right wing cesspit now

 

[Rita_Poon]

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Having a gander at the Swedish ladies footy side, I concur!

 

[Taifi gorm]

I actually recall reading in some tome before about the percentage of active 'western' personal that saw combat and it was surprisingly low. At least 45% never in the field, plus admin, logistics of fighting units etc. Must look for it.
Made me snigger at some of the cretins with the ribbons etc any family I had were the equivalent of early special forces and never had time for the imperial jingoism.

 

[Taifi gorm]

Having a gander at the Swedish ladies footy side, I concur!

Haven't seen any of it unfortunately besides after the wilderness 1's are now 10's

 

[Rita_Poon]

Haven't seen any of it unfortunately besides after the wilderness 1's are now 10's

There's some babes at six foot clocking in at 100's!

 

[Taifi gorm]

There's some babes at six foot clocking in at 100's!

Tinder here has a living or dead option

 

[Rita_Poon]

Tinder here has a living or dead option

For the springs in ones matress?

 

[Taifi gorm]

For the springs in ones matress?

Mattress? Can't remember them.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Mattress? Can't remember them.

The memory gets hazy in our advanced years, it's said it's the second thing to go...

 

[Taifi gorm]

Russia were on the brink of being defeated and would have been had it not for German tactics. I'd say it is therefore their own fault they didn't but that said even if they had have taken Russia could they defeat America and the atomic bombs that would have been dropped on them instead? Probably not.

Probably would have had the time to finish developing they're own and proper jet engines.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Probably would have had the time to finish developing they're own and proper jet engines.

I would need to go back and research to give a proper answer to this, it's been decades since I was clued up on the war and history has a habit of changing due to new facts coming to light...

However my gut feeling is that it wouldn't have made a huge difference. For a German victory they would have had to have thrown more men at it - leaving the western front significantly weaker which they would never do or waited until the following spring to start operation Barbarossa to give the maximum time before winter set in instead of going at the end of June 1941. To completey win that part of the war would have cost far more German personnel and machinery and they would have still been spread thinly keeping the Eastern front in check. That would take us up to somewhere in 1943 and it would be another year or so before they could effectively use Russian resources to start to tool up again and even then they would have lost way more than they could manufacture by the time we head towards d-day.

The V2's and ME 262's were likely put in operation as soon as they possibly could be and the same would have applied to nukes if they had them. The allied bombing campaigns that were starting to really bite into Germany's ability to keep the war machine going and likely would have intensified knowing there wasn't going to be the red army attacking from the East anytime soon. If the increased 'standard' bombing hadn't broken Germany and they were able to hold off the allied ground troops better then likely the first atomic bomb would have been dropped on German soil and things would have played out more or less the same with a total breakdown of leadership just a few months later than it actually played out.

Meanwhile the Japanese seeing what has happened in Europe would have probably surrendered if the threat to use these bombs there if they don't. Remembering the rushed timetable to deal with Japan would not be the case in this reality had the Germans taken out Russia and Stalin.
 

 

[Rita_Poon]

messerschmitt me 262 - developed to late. They also had enough heavy water to pursue the following bomb, but between two development companies so not enough individually. The bombing of Dresden will live long on the conscience of the allies, a wanton destruction of specifically civilians that surpassed total allied civilian losses in one night. Rough.

 

[Old Blue 2]

I would need to go back and research to give a proper answer to this, it's been decades since I was clued up on the war and history has a habit of changing due to new facts coming to light...

However my gut feeling is that it wouldn't have made a huge difference. For a German victory they would have had to have thrown more men at it - leaving the western front significantly weaker which they would never do or waited until the following spring to start operation Barbarossa to give the maximum time before winter set in instead of going at the end of June 1941. To completey win that part of the war would have cost far more German personnel and machinery and they would have still been spread thinly keeping the Eastern front in check. That would take us up to somewhere in 1943 and it would be another year or so before they could effectively use Russian resources to start to tool up again and even then they would have lost way more than they could manufacture by the time we head towards d-day.

The V2's and ME 262's were likely put in operation as soon as they possibly could be and the same would have applied to nukes if they had them. The allied bombing campaigns that were starting to really bite into Germany's ability to keep the war machine going and likely would have intensified knowing there wasn't going to be the red army attacking from the East anytime soon. If the increased 'standard' bombing hadn't broken Germany and they were able to hold off the allied ground troops better then likely the first atomic bomb would have been dropped on German soil and things would have played out more or less the same with a total breakdown of leadership just a few months later than it actually played out.

Meanwhile the Japanese seeing what has happened in Europe would have probably surrendered if the threat to use these bombs there if they don't. Remembering the rushed timetable to deal with Japan would not be the case in this reality had the Germans taken out Russia and Stalin.
 

Correct. Development took the standard course, given the constraint of scarcity of materials. It was only in the summer of 1944 that the Germans were able to work it up to combat status with Kommando Nowotny with the pure Me 262 fighter, and Kommando Schenck with the 262 fighter-bomber. Then they put bomber pilots of Kampfgeschwader 51 into the 262 fighter-bomber, completely unsuited to flying the fastest fighter of its day.

Source: Several interviews with Wolfgang Schenck, leader of Kommando Schenck, Geschwaderkommodore of Kampfgeschwader (J) 51 (Schenck flew 40 combat missions as leader of this unit), last Inspector of Jet Fighters for the Third Reich.
Photo: me with Wolfgang Schenck in the mid-1980s.